Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I have some magic beans for sale in you're interested?

Granular detail? - I'm not moaning about them saying they'll build 12 new cycle lanes and then they build 14

He invited millions of people to come to Ireland in Albanian, Arabic, French, Somali, Urdu and Georgian languages - He asked, and they came...in their droves - I remember he expressed some surprise at the "dramatic" rise of the numbers arriving - what a cabbage!

So this "Granular detail" item that they failed to mention pre the 2020 GE, has cost the taxpayer 100's of millions of Euro's (if not billions) to date and will change Ireland forever...but it's just a tiny little grain is it? - Oh right

And of course the other two big lads in there were just fine with all of this - They can't absolve themselves from this shambles, not by a long shot. They are just as culpable as the Greens - Then, to add insult to injury, FG puts the chronically incompetent Helen McEntee into Justice (for the look) and she proceeds to lose total control of our borders as thousands arrive every month (with 500 of those arriving p/m, trashing their passports/docs)

It's borderline treason imo

That's fair enough, though I suspect such parties are at a disadvantage in Ireland. Countries like the UK, Netherlands and Germany (each of which where the far right are doing well) are all former colonial powers. Our history as a country that was colonised and very badly treated in the process gives us a different perspective on the whole immigration / emigration thing.

Democracy is and has been challenged already…

the majority of people in this country wanted and want limits on help for the Ukraine and Ukrainians but what did our politicians tell us ? No limits to those arriving and they are entitled to everything a citizen is and more besides.

that isn’t democracy.

that’s political bully boy carry on….

from the outset we were told what’s happening, not asked…

not wishing to discuss that situation in this thread just using it as an example of how undemocratic politics can become.

Some people think that all of their woes are due to immigrants. They think that they can't find somewhere to live, or get their kids into a school, or their tax is too high, or they have to pay more back to the state is all because there is a concerted effort by the WEF to undermine their lovely Irish identity or somesuch bollix.

The real problem is that the government they voted for is screwing them. There isn't a 'housing crisis'. Its a deliberate ploy to generate profits for the government and its chosen investors and partners. It's policy, and its working very nicely for them. Homelessness? You can bet they're making a profit but while it would be easier and cheaper to house everyone, the anti-immigrants get bogged down in entitlements. Its simple divide and conquer and the suckers lap it up every time.

What people don't realise is that the state gives you everything. It even gives your stupid opinion a validation it doesn't deserve, gives you the chance to bite that feeds. I'm more interested in those that give than those who take and the anti-immigrant voices are simply those who refuse to share and forget the start we all got - education, housing and health care. Start cherry picking who is more entitled is nothing more than a race to the bottom. Anti-immigrant protesters call themselves 'patriots' but they're just begrudging bastards, who will happily sell everybody's rights away and call for a more autocratic government while waving a Daily Mail in your face. Packacuntz is all they are.

Is there a problem with stating facts?

It all comes from the same government pot.

We keep getting told we are a rich country, yet here we are increasing tax, it's impossible to get a doctor in the depths of winter and every school up and down the country needs to ask for donations each year.

The disdain they have for spending our money is insane

Weren't too fooking concerned about the 200e odd people were getting after the financial crash with mass unemployment. Now all a sudden with full employment they get all mushy. Yes it was a different government but hey

Delighted for the Nederlands, amazing news !!!!

People need to talk to their politicians at the door. Deciding not to vote is what the political parties want.

When you see a freeze in the HSE budget, not enough funds for cancer medication and unlimited numbers allowed to come here from safe countries,no documents it is really frustrating. When will it end? The word is out and out politicians are allowing it happen.

Unless you have a candidate proposing a significant change in policy to threaten to move your vote to they're just going to feign a sympathetic ear and fob you off.

Without a shadow of a doubt. The reason the far right parties play up the anti-immigration thing is because they know it is a surefire vote winner. I wouldn't imagine other far right talking points like net zero or trans rights or support for Israel would be anywhere near as popular, which is why they go all in on the immigration / refugee part of their manifesto.

"Towns and areas that have been planted with these people will quickly realise how undemocratic the country has become after the local elections.

The modus operandi of the NGOs, their cheerleaders and benefactors, is to mobilise as many votes as possible from the planted migrants and replace the local councillors that are now highlighting the insanity of this.

Its music to their ears to say you won't vote(you can see this tactic frequently being employed by certain posters on this thread) , and you would be much better served getting involved in your area with any candidate that is showing opposition to this ."

Yes they push the line that anyone who is resident can vote, but don't define resident.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1726656117449875854

There is a definition for tax purposes. "If you have been tax resident in Ireland for three consecutive tax years, you become ordinarily resident from the beginning of the fourth tax year."

But one thing I would say is definitely check the register and make sure that the powers that be haven't removed you from the register.

I've mentioned it before that I'm surprised that FF are not modifying their tune a bit and appealing to what is growing Irish public disquiet. I say FF as they are the most obvious party to be able to retune their narrative on immigration issues currently. FG have been in too long and up to their elbows. SF are a mystery and anyway their policies more rotate around internal border issues with directions from the north.

If I was in FF and I'm not, I'd be repositioning the narrative - there's a lot of votes out there to be attracted with the right messaging.

What irritates me is how anything to the right of the left, is now "Far Right". You'd swear all these mouthy far-left & leftists have no idea what the Far Right actually is. Even Centrists get abuse now from Leftists for "sitting on the fence" and not caring about their country apparently, but if they move a bit right then they are labelled fascists, racists and are basically Hitler. I think most know that some of the REAL Far Right agendas are not great, such as anti-abortion, but it's all lumped in one to berate you with by the Left.

Just look at that bizarre, strange echo chamber Ireland subreddit for a prime example. You get drowned out if you disagree and torrents of abuse by all the leftists there. You worry about Ireland with these people voting, not to mention Leo's scummy announcement this week.

In 10 years it will be a "told ya so" epiphany for 99% of those.