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Moon landing hoax

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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    #1 not how I've seen them described.

    #2 maybe a few but far from common place

    #3 Nobody is driving/steering these things around with or without predictions and relative accuracy

    #4 I am wrong there. I was referring to the speed of earths orbit around the sun said to be 66,600(often rounded up of late to 67,000). Saying a speed is relative doesn't completely remove it from existence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    You saw a light move across the sky. If that's all the evidence you need to defend the fact the ISS is 250 miles above, our discussion should end here.

    That is very weak proof of anything imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    #1 not how I've seen them described.


    "Most satellites have simple reliable chemical thrusters (often monopropellant rockets) or resistojet rockets for orbital station-keeping and some use momentum wheels for attitude control. Russian and antecedant Soviet bloc satellites have used electric propulsion for decades,[not verified in body] and newer Western geo-orbiting spacecraft are starting to use them for north–south station-keeping and orbit raising. Interplanetary vehicles mostly use chemical rockets as well, although a few have used ion thrusters and Hall-effect thrusters (two different types of electric propulsion) to great success."

    #2 maybe a few but far from common place

    You wrote: "20,000 of them flying around at 17,500 mph without propulsion systems but no collisions ever."

    There have been some collisions.

    #3 Nobody is driving/steering these things around with or without predictions and relative accuracy

    It's predicted. Orbital mechanics. As mentioned, they don't lob this stuff up into space and "just hope" it doesn't hit anything else.

    Someone not understanding that or getting it is not evidence it doesn't happen.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    A light which moves at specific speeds and directions and in predictable course. If you really want to you could make the obvervations of that lights movements from multiple times and places, and back calculate what the speed is it is travelling at and at what altitude. Which would be very much like how the movements of the planets such as Mars, Jupiter, Venus etc would have been calculated centuries ago.


    Of course if you can come up with another explanation as to the source of that light in the sky which follows a predictable course and speed, and are then able to show that it isn't actually the ISS then you would really be onto something in the world of conspiracy theorists.


    Should be simple for you to disprove the existence of the ISS with some basic maths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There are websites and apps which will show you exactly when the ISS is going to pass over your position. It's a decent size with reflectors so it reflects sunlight, and appears as a bright light moving. Likewise on a clear night it's possible to see Starlink satellites passing overhead.

    With a telescope or decent camera you can actually make out details on the ISS.


    Starlink


    8 hour space walk from the ISS

    Another 8 hour space walk from the ISS

    7 hour spacewalk ISS


    Tour of the ISS




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    All fake cgi and planes no doubt.

    There will be no comment or speculation of how these are actually achieved or explanation for why all of this time money and effort is being wasted in this deception.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,742 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Never mind that, Marcus still hasn't answered me about how he gets his TV...

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I wonder what the purpose of the conspiracy is to have dishes stuck on the side of people's houses and all pointing at the same bit of sky? The angle even changes depending on the location of each house so you could triangulate where they are all pointing to and it's altitude if you wanted just from looking at the side of a few houses across Europe.

    Seems to be an awful lot of effort to get all these dishes installed and pointing at something which isn't there, but that if you don't point it at the correct bit of sky then the TV doesn't work. How do they fake that for each house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    They’re pointing at the same really tall towers that do the gps.

    Nobody has yet been able to show us one of these towers which is disappointing as they would be an excellent piece of evidence to prove their theories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Don't need to, when unconstrained by actually having to provide proper evidence, anything can be invented or dreamt up to explain anything.

    • There are no satellites, modern communications just work over long distances
    • There are no satellites, aircraft all over the globe relay signals
    • There are no satellites, signals work really well over the sea which is why ships in the middle of nowhere can get "GPS"
    • The earth is flat There are no satellites, the atmosphere just acts as a perfect medium to amplify signals

    Insert whatever made-up-on-the-spot crap takes your fancy



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    Your argument stating the earth's rotation and it's orbit mean nothing because it's relative to your position on earth. You state space is nothing so earth's stated motions and speeds cannot be factored.

    It's really is simple. This is the model given to us by nasa/ASTRO physicist or whoever approves the model.

    The description we are given cannot stand up to gentle questions. The answers to these questions hardly ever clarify and typically muddy the waters further. Just like your answer above. No real answer or description.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    I stand corrected . that speed of 666,000 is in fact incorrect. I attempted to reference the speed of earths orbit around the sun. We are told this speed is 66,600mph. Lately I've seen it rounded up to 67,000. It's possible for most to imagine these speeds anyhow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    No, you flat earthers recieve answers to your questions all the time. You just don't accept them.

    Meanwhile, when you are asked direct, simple questions, you cannot answer them and have to ignore and dodge.


    What's funny is that you didn't read the thread and don't realise that Markus agrees with you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    "they don't just lob them up and hope" That's kind of my point exactly. There's no way 20,000 plus satellites are whizzing around at speeds impossible for any ordinary person to comprehend.

    If I'm wrong about the propulsion systems then I'm wrong and my argument is no more. For me though those simple thrusters would not be enough to avoid guaranteed chaos up there considering the quantity and speeds given to us.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    This is from nasa's own website. A picture of the moon lander. Looks like it's made fro shower rods and cardboard. This space craft landed 2 men safely while withstanding the 500 degree temperature swings. Also returned to the mother ship . This craft leaving the moon and returning to mother ship was filmed and broadcast to earth, probably with the same used to call the moon from a landline in the 1960's

    Don't forget this thing carried a moon buggy too. It can't be seen because the engineering was so precise it just blends right in.

    Surely nobody believes this is how man landed on the moon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I will take this to mean that you are indeed claiming that they are part of the conspiracy to make people believe in a round Earth.

    That doesn't help your case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    i try to answer any questions I can and keep discussions civil. If i had more answers I would gladly offer them.

    I only claim that the world around us is misdescribed to us for unknown reasons.

    You are correct, I did not read the entire thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But you and your fellow flat earther have already engaged in the ignoring tactic. You've avoided and dodged several points that you can't address, as has Markus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Never understood how they managed to disembark from a spaceship, shaped like a washing up liquid bottle, before then landing this ridiculous looking contraption with metal legs on a moon that is phucking absolutely humongous.... and then actually take back off and find the fairy liquid bottle again .... before re-engaging with it ( must have used a tractor beam like they used in Sci Fi movies like battlestar or Buck Rogers??? )... and then after all that manage to fly through near space back to earth before landing in the sea with a parachute.

    No sale mortals, it just didn't happen. Interesting the way the evil Ruskies get the animal cruelty mud flicked at them whilst the Sceptics manage to rename a lane in a park in Tralee after a plain faced liar?

    Not convinced on the Stanley Kubrick rumours either, but when those two twins start screaming at Charlie after he sees them up the hotel corridor, followed by the slow motion blood gushing out the elevator ....you begin to realise and fathom why the ghosts of massacred Comanche warriors, enjoy spreading mental psychotic illness, telekinetically, though the minds of teenage spree killers. That is a fact.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Washing up liquid bottle to launch through thick atmosphere on earth.

    Wierd box contraption to fly through void of space where atmosphere isn't an issue and on the surface of the moon where it also isn't an issue.

    You can re-dock with other craft from lauching from the moon because you paid attention in maths class in school.

    Fly the washing up liquid bottle backwards into earth's atmosphere and use the blunt shape to assist with braking, again because you paid attention in school.

    Land in the ocean because it's easier than adding reverse thrusters to be able to do so on land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Again we're seeing "I don't understand something therefore it must be a big giant conspiracy. It can't be that I just don't understand cause I spent no effort in trying to understand or look into it. It's far more likely that it's a giant global conspiracy that I unraveled with similar lack of effort."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Satellites are being put up there on controlled orbits compatible with everything else. Some of them have to maneuver every once in awhile. For example, the ISS has to maneuver if experts detect a 1 in 10,000 chance something might hit it.

    Everything is calculated, computers and radar help. Just because you personally have difficulty understanding or believing is not evidence that satellites don't exist. As mentioned, you can look up at the night sky and see certain ones yourself. If you tell yourself that's just a "light" travelling across the night sky, think, what is making that light.

    It's disinformation, carefully framed to make people (like you), doubt the event happened.

    For example, this is indeed the phone used by Nixon to speak to the astronauts.

    What isn't mentioned is that the phone was simply routed to Houston, to mission control, which was constantly communicating with the astronauts via CapCom all the time. See how context is important.

    Now watch this short video which explains the lunar module (if you don't want to watch the full 10 mins, start at around 5:30)


    TLDR On the moon there is no air, little atmosphere and gravity was a sixth less, so the inner aluminum hull only needed to be a few mm thick, the pressure only needed to be a few PSI, it was in direct sunlight during it's mission for heating, the "crumpled foil" was done on purpose to limit the effects of over-heating..

    But we can see how easy it is to leave all that context out in order to trick people into believing something else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,691 ✭✭✭storker


    This whole thread is a monument to the Argument by Incredulity fallacy.


    Lads, "I don't believe it!" is neither argument nor evidence. 0/10.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,691 ✭✭✭storker


    "What isn't mentioned is that the phone was simply routed to Houston, to mission control, which was constantly communicating with the astronauts via CapCom all the time. See how context is important."

    This is one of those lovely examples of a conspiracy theorist self-own, because it indicates the poster either didn't bother to research that particular communication before confidently announcing that it couldn't have happened, or did know about it but didn't mention it, and thus is either incompetent at research or is simply a liar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,623 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And if they got it from another source, 99 to 1 there will be absolutely zero second thoughts given to the credibility/integrity of what else the source says.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Don't be a victim of their tryanical propaganda.

    There is not a hope in hell that anyone could get to the moon and back in Fairy Liquid Bottle, not without ingesting an awful dose of DMT or LSD.

    It is garbage and is indicative of the charades played by those who lust power over others.

    The US is a Nazi state, destroying the planet as they like. Abe Lincoln is dead and gone, with Jack and Bobby and Martin Luther King ..... in the grave. So pray and save.

    Never happened, the US are chunts, they lie , they invented " security clearance".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But notice here how you don't actually address any points. You just rant.

    Your position isn't very rational if that's all you're about to do.


    "I don't understand it, you must be crazy not to believe my extreme beliefs without any compelling reason."


    Sorry man, but you aren't that convincing or special.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yup. This is always the case.

    Original ideas are never actually presented here. It's all just factoids copy and pasted from YouTube videos that none of them even dared to question, never mind verify. It makes it even funnier how we're being told that we're swallowing everything we're told atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,760 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It makes it even funnier how we're being told that we're swallowing everything we're told atm
    

    Usually always followed with the classic “Do some/your own research”

    When in reality the only ‘research’ they themselves have done is simply watch a load of YouTube videos where the videos maker has kindly done all the research for them already and everyone is supposed to take it as gospel… because why wouldn’t you…? I mean they wouldn’t make a YouTube video if all their information was bull crap would they…?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    There's 6 reflectors on the moon, point a laser and it'll reflect back. First was placed there during Apollo 11.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Do you take a load of DMT before posting on boards? Genuinely curious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    A lot of the time, the video they're copy pasting from is itself copy pasting from older conspiracy stuff.

    No conspiracy theorists are actually interested in looking into their own theories. That defeats the goal as they'd run the risk of realising the theory is nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,691 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Washing up liquid bottle haha.

    Speak of cost, it is worth considering the financial implications of faking the moon landings. The Apollo program itself had a budget of approximately $25.4 billion, a significant investment for the United States government. Faking all the moon landings would have required additional resources, potentially exceeding the cost of the actual missions. Faking the moon landings would have required a significant portion of this budget to be allocated to creating a convincing illusion, involving sophisticated special effects, props, and sets. This would have been an enormous financial burden, with no direct return on investment It is indeed logical to believe that humans went to the moon.

    Furthermore, the transmission of images from sports events across the world is a testament to the technological advancements of our time. These images, captured by cameras and broadcasting equipment, are transmitted through various means to reach viewers in different locations. This process involves the use of signal facilitators, such as satellites and communication networks, to ensure that the images can travel vast distances swiftly and efficiently.

    A claim that satellites do not exist is on par with a claim cars dont exist.

    A conspiracy, if it happens, would be a limited event that only a few people would be privy to, then another small group of workers keeping the whole thing from leaking. A NASA conspiracy, by contrast, would be massive in size. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    How do satellites work around the moon, surely gravity deviates given that the moon does not oscillate?

    Fairy Liquid logic I know, but I stand to have my observation challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Unfortunately, scientific terms do not work like they do on TV. You cannot just put words you think are difficult to understand in random orders and assume that what you said makes any kind of sense.


    Your observation doesn't need to be challenged because it's meaningless.


    If you want a question answered maybe try restating it in a meaningful way.

    Or you could simply Google how gravity works. There's lots of explained out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I am banned from Google....

    Have A nice Day !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,742 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    See you next time 🖐️

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Same principle, but the moon's gravity is more "lumpy", so orbiting modules/satellites have to use boosters to stay in orbit, or follow quite specific orbits

    Stable low orbits[edit]

    Study of the mascons' effect on lunar spacecraft led to the discovery in 2001 of "frozen orbits" occurring at four orbital inclinations: 27°, 50°, 76°, and 86°, in which a spacecraft can stay in a low orbit indefinitely.[2] The Apollo 15 subsatellite PFS-1 and the Apollo 16 subsatellite PFS-2, both small satellites released from the Apollo Service Module, contributed to this discovery. PFS-1 ended up in a long-lasting orbit, at 28° inclination, and successfully completed its mission after one and a half years. PFS-2 was placed in a particularly unstable orbital inclination of 11°, and lasted only 35 days in orbit before crashing into the lunar surface.[2]


    Lunar high orbits[edit]

    The Moon's hill sphere extends to an orbital distance of 60,000 km (37,000 mi),[13] but lunar high orbits are already unstable at a distance of 690 km (430 mi), since at this distance the gravity of Earth intervenes already enough to make lunar orbits unstable.[14]

    Earth-Moon lagrange points are options for stable lunar orbits, as with the Distant retrograde orbit, using two oppositional lagrange points (L1 and L2), flying from one to the other around the Moon.

    Orbits that keep satellites relatively stable orbits above locations on the Moon are halo orbits around or together with one of the Earth-Moon lagrange points, as employed by lunar relay satellites to the far side of the Moon, the first of such kind being the 2019 Queqiao satellite placed around Earth-Moon L2 at roughly 65,000 km (40,000 mi).




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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 BailenaMbocht


    Maybe the guy video taped the lander leaving the surface to return placed them there.

    No dust, debris etc.

    I would guess the orientation of the mirrors would have to pretty precise to reflect back. What about the different angles created by moons orbit in relation to ours.

    Where does it reflect to?

    Straight to Orlando nasa center.

    Thus doesn't hold up to even my uneducated questions.

    In short I believe this claim to be fantasy. Like most of what nasa produce. It's cartoons for adult. Disney for children. Nasa for adults. The differ little imo

    Also I believe it has never been reproduced by any public or private entity.

    Quick question.

    Why does the planet pluto have an outline of Disney's pluto the dog on it. Images are easy to find.

    The openly mock us. Most of us are decent, trusting people and this is used against us to deceive us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Back in school my teachers often used to say the answer is often in the question.


    “uneducated”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,521 ✭✭✭valoren


    NASA – Ok, so we have 9 years to get to the moon and back. We’re getting billions of dollars and literally hundreds of thousands of the best and brightest in the country, we'll be getting an unprecedented mix of 20,000 companies, institutions and university departments but we’ve just decided that we can’t actually do it so here’s what we’re going to do.

    We’ll come up with a flight plan for a moon landing that even someone with the most basic grasp of physics can understand as perfectly feasible/possible. We’ll go so far as to broadcast cartoons for those who don’t so they can at least (at a high level) try and understand what we won’t be doing. 

    We'll tell the world (and our geopolitical enemy) exactly what this flight plan is down to the minutest of detail. Then we will build the infrastructure necessary to test, house and actually launch rockets which we'll ensure will have the super heavy and mind boggling thrust/lift capability required to get the equipment and crew all the way to the moon. In parallel, we’ll use smaller rockets to launch the crafts we’ll need for such a mission into low earth orbit so we can, over the course of a few years, make sure they (and their crew) can do the endurance operational job/rendezvous techniques required of them according to that Moon landing flight plan we’ve created.

    We'll also continue to launch, for a laugh, rangers, surveyors, orbiters and unmanned landers to the moon so we can hone and perfect our ground tracking and communication network. We'll also build a massive control center complex to handle such operations again just because we're not landing on the moon.

    Quite ridiculously, we’ll make sure it all actually works to the point we're confident a moon landing is possible. We'll have collectively devoted years to doing all of this in front of the world but then (lol!) right before the end of decade deadline and after we’ve used a quarter of a trillion of federal (inflation adjusted) tax dollars and exhausted every ounce of our collective talents and capablities we'll hoax the whole thing in the Nevada desert/Hollywood basement and we'll then hoax it another six times just for the sh*ts and giggles until, decades later, the actual real geniuses on the internet do their "research" and expose us all because they saw stuff like the flag on the moon "moving" because of wind (despite not taking whatever time was necessary to understand something basic like inertia and how it applies in a vacuum).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    You are, because you don't understand basic science (or are pretending not to), assuming that the refectors placed by NASA astronauts (and later by Soviet robotic landers) are like the mirror in your bathroom that you pretend to be Elvis in front of. They are not. The reflectors are made up of 100 mirrors containing what are called "corner cubes". These allow light to be reflected back in any direction it comes from.

    The mirrors are in fact reflecting back less and less of the light that is sent their way, possibly because they have dust stirred up by micro meteorites settling on them. NASA uses another "mirror" attached to the Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter to compare the amount of light returned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Why does the planet pluto have an outline of Disney's pluto the dog on it. Images are easy to find.

    Here is a photo of dwarf planet Pluto taken from about 20k miles out from the New Horizons probe. You think this probe didn't do a fly-by of this planet because someone can imagine a cartoon image on it somewhere?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,386 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    🇮🇪

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i despair for the human race if there are people out there who actually believe this stuff.



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    It would be funny if it was faked...at this stage who cares.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




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