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Annasopra · 23-11-2023 7:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403168#Comment_121403168

Conor McGregor standing up for safety and security, The same Conor McGregor with all the numerous allegations about violence and abuse. 😶

Luxembourgo · 23-11-2023 7:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402183#Comment_121402183

It all comes from the same government pot.

We keep getting told we are a rich country, yet here we are increasing tax, it's impossible to get a doctor in the depths of winter and every school up and down the country needs to ask for donations each year.

The disdain they have for spending our money is insane

Luxembourgo · 23-11-2023 7:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402949#Comment_121402949

Honestly I think we were really good at centerism here and actually looking at things on their merits.

Social media, and the media haven't helped, but the biggest push to divide has come from politicians themselves calling everyone far right.

Mr. teddywinkles · 23-11-2023 7:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402183#Comment_121402183

Weren't too fooking concerned about the 200e odd people were getting after the financial crash with mass unemployment. Now all a sudden with full employment they get all mushy. Yes it was a different government but hey

titan18 · 23-11-2023 8:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402786#Comment_121402786

You look at Denmark though and the leading party there are the Social Democrats who are also anti immigration, and likely won cos of that. I think it's clear to me it's the anti immigration stance that is winning the "far-right" parties support.

slay55 · 23-11-2023 8:37am

Delighted for the Nederlands, amazing news !!!!

_Puma_ · 23-11-2023 8:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403156#Comment_121403156

Towns and areas that have been planted with these people will quickly realise how undemocratic the country has become after the local elections.

The modus operandi of the NGOs, their cheerleaders and benefactors, is to mobilise as many votes as possible from the planted migrants and replace the local councillors that are now highlighting the insanity of this.

Its music to their ears to say you won't vote(you can see this tactic frequently being employed by certain posters on this thread) , and you would be much better served getting involved in your area with any candidate that is showing opposition to this .

It will be the number one issue on the doors in the coming elections..and you can be certain that if you think this whole thing has become a circus... your not alone. Despite their desperation to "control the narrative", make that vote count.

baldbear · 23-11-2023 9:32am

People need to talk to their politicians at the door. Deciding not to vote is what the political parties want.

When you see a freeze in the HSE budget, not enough funds for cancer medication and unlimited numbers allowed to come here from safe countries,no documents it is really frustrating. When will it end? The word is out and out politicians are allowing it happen.

Juran · 23-11-2023 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403335#Comment_121403335

I know people will say religion, power, money, greed etc. Is at the heart of most of these warn torn countries. But if you look at countries which are stable and peaceful, they tend to have low birth rates eg. Northern & western europe, Japan, Australia, Thailand, Canada, US and some south american countries.

Arab and Africa countries populations are exploding year on year. Too many people leads to one thing: not enough resources to support the citizens, which leads to little jobs, no money, poor quality of life, poor education or none, joining terrorist gangs to make some money and just to have something to do, and lots of corruption as its the only way to.make decent money.

I'd like to see the western nations, UN, NGO's etc. focus on women as I believe they hold the key to long term peace and prospertiy. Birth control no. 1, then education and rights. Pull back funding unless they give women rights, alliw them access to education, birth control etc.

If they have education, equal right or part equal, and dont have 8 kids to feed, they will work, contribute, the popluation will reduce and be under control. Less young men hanging around doing nothing all day is the end goal.

It will take generations for this to happen, but look at Ireland .. we did it. How many of us had grandmothers who had 8, 10, or 14 kids with no money to feed them. How many of us had or have mothers who had 6 or 8 kids with very little money, could just about feed and cloth them. We had so many young men on the dole or emigrating for work. What changed ? Birth control (+ catholic church's loss of power), education and womens right. Once the world modernized, Ireland was a modern educated country on a level playing field making it attractive to foregien investors.

Loafing Oaf · 23-11-2023 10:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403560#Comment_121403560

Unless you have a candidate proposing a significant change in policy to threaten to move your vote to they're just going to feign a sympathetic ear and fob you off.

malinheader · 23-11-2023 11:06am

It's alright saying if you don't vote your playing into the government hands but what other options is there. As far as I can see whoever you vote for in this country is just supporting these same issues and policies.

Strazdas · 23-11-2023 11:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403403#Comment_121403403

Without a shadow of a doubt. The reason the far right parties play up the anti-immigration thing is because they know it is a surefire vote winner. I wouldn't imagine other far right talking points like net zero or trans rights or support for Israel would be anywhere near as popular, which is why they go all in on the immigration / refugee part of their manifesto.

Marcos · 23-11-2023 11:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402309#Comment_121402309

it's called Regulatory Capture, and is defined thus:

"In politics, regulatory capture (also called agency capture) is a form of corruption of authority that occurs when a political entity, policymaker, or regulator is co-opted to serve the commercial, ideological, or political interests of a minor constituency, such as a particular geographic area, industry, profession, or ideological group.[1][2]"

Marcos · 23-11-2023 12:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403444#Comment_121403444

"Towns and areas that have been planted with these people will quickly realise how undemocratic the country has become after the local elections.

The modus operandi of the NGOs, their cheerleaders and benefactors, is to mobilise as many votes as possible from the planted migrants and replace the local councillors that are now highlighting the insanity of this.

Its music to their ears to say you won't vote(you can see this tactic frequently being employed by certain posters on this thread) , and you would be much better served getting involved in your area with any candidate that is showing opposition to this ."

Yes they push the line that anyone who is resident can vote, but don't define resident.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1726656117449875854

There is a definition for tax purposes. "If you have been tax resident in Ireland for three consecutive tax years, you become ordinarily resident from the beginning of the fourth tax year."

But one thing I would say is definitely check the register and make sure that the powers that be haven't removed you from the register.

titan18 · 23-11-2023 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403971#Comment_121403971

Yup, most of the other far right items I'd assume are much less popular. Things like being anti-abortion, anti LGBT rights, blanket support for Israel and Russia etc are very unlikely to have a large mass behind them. I think a lot now from what I see are supportive of stricter border controls though, considering the way Europe has gone and going. Whatever about actual skilled migration, I don't think any country needs more welfare recipients or people working jobs that they are very unlikely to be paying tax in. That group are just a net loss to society imo.

Furze99 · 23-11-2023 1:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403156#Comment_121403156

I've mentioned it before that I'm surprised that FF are not modifying their tune a bit and appealing to what is growing Irish public disquiet. I say FF as they are the most obvious party to be able to retune their narrative on immigration issues currently. FG have been in too long and up to their elbows. SF are a mystery and anyway their policies more rotate around internal border issues with directions from the north.

If I was in FF and I'm not, I'd be repositioning the narrative - there's a lot of votes out there to be attracted with the right messaging.

Gamergurll · 23-11-2023 1:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121404357#Comment_121404357

The anti-abortion and Lbgt stance is exactly why I wouldn't want to vote for a right wing party, but with the mainstream lot what choice is there? FFG and certainly Sinn Fein will not be getting my vote that's for certain

ECookie13 · 23-11-2023 1:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121404357#Comment_121404357

What irritates me is how anything to the right of the left, is now "Far Right". You'd swear all these mouthy far-left & leftists have no idea what the Far Right actually is. Even Centrists get abuse now from Leftists for "sitting on the fence" and not caring about their country apparently, but if they move a bit right then they are labelled fascists, racists and are basically Hitler. I think most know that some of the REAL Far Right agendas are not great, such as anti-abortion, but it's all lumped in one to berate you with by the Left.

Just look at that bizarre, strange echo chamber Ireland subreddit for a prime example. You get drowned out if you disagree and torrents of abuse by all the leftists there. You worry about Ireland with these people voting, not to mention Leo's scummy announcement this week.

In 10 years it will be a "told ya so" epiphany for 99% of those.

gotaf · 23-11-2023 3:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121404642#Comment_121404642

What would be a few policies you do want from a party?

SaoPaulo41 · 23-11-2023 3:31pm

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malinheader · 23-11-2023 3:41pm

Something is definitely coming to a head. There is definitely a massive change in people's thoughts and thinking on how immigration is controlled or should I say not controlled in this country.

I have been stating for alot of years now that this is going to cause massive unrest in the country, and the fault for this lyes totally with our government and ministers.

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 3:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397264#Comment_121397264

Glad you find calling refugees names funny.

Certainly eye opening reading posts on this thread and not in a good way .

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 4:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396859#Comment_121396859

Wow . You misinterpret posts and use the misinterpretation to have a rant . Good man . Still you got a skew of thanks so it must be correct , yeah ?

I don't disagree there are problems with refugees and the amount coming to the country .

But my post that started this particular slew of replies was to call out somebody thinking another reprehensible insult / Suella Braverism, was funny and clever when it was just plain right wing name calling.

If people are using these phrases they should at least credit where they got that language from so all can see the type of people they are supporting .

And expect that it will ge called out for what it is.

The fact that people are upset and angry does not excuse using insults and yes , hate speech , to target vulnerable groups and label them.

It is language used in the past by certain people to try to excuse ghettoising and eliminating these groups as we all know too well.

Nobody trying to stop debate , but it should not be descending to insulting comments .

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 4:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397332#Comment_121397332

See my answer to conorhal above ..

Debate away hold whatever opinion but calling people names in a bud to tar everyone with the one brush is not debate , nor is it acceptable .

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 4:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396807#Comment_121396807

When did I do that ?

I referred to comments by a poster here which are directly from a right wing element in England .

Having issues with refugees housing and benefits is reasonable . It's some of the rhetoric that is used and the extremity of some opinions that is both anti all refugees , and that is a far right .

SaoPaulo41 · 23-11-2023 4:23pm

WAR OF WORDSConor McGregor declares Ireland is ‘at war’ after rant about immigrants voting

“Do not let any Irish property be took over (sic) unannounced. Evaporate (sic) said property. It’s a war”

Neil Fetherstonhaugh

November 23 2023 11:37 AM

Conor McGregor has launched an astonishing attack on allowing immigrants to vote on his ‘X’ account declaring: “Ireland, we are at war”.

In a series of messages posted on his feed he adds: “Do not let any Irish property be took over (sic) unannounced. Evaporate (sic) said property. It’s a war.”

It follows earlier messages where he retweeted a comment by conservative news website Gript, which criticised Taoiseach Leo Varadkar for stating “everyone resident in Ireland can vote in Local Elections, regardless of nationality or visa status”.

Mod Edit, please do not post an entire news article. A few sentences and a link to the article are sufficient

Link

https://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/conor-mcgregor-declares-ireland-is-at-war-after-rant-about-immigrants-voting/a476493347.html

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 4:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396881#Comment_121396881

Again for the umpteenth time , I didn't label EVERY poster who expresses views against immigrations either 'hate speech ' or right wing , but commented that the use of certain language ( go back and read the posts involved ) is hate speech and used by very right wing as well as far right actors in Britain.

I am entitled to say when I think people have jumped the shark and mostly pass on by, but in this case commented .

Am I and other posters who don't agree with ALL the sentiment and commentary on this thread now being told we are not allowed to comment but just report ?

I will report if I see fit and thank you for your permission to do so !

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 4:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397332#Comment_121397332

I don't agree that we are either a security risk to UK or Europe . Bit of a jump there and not what I was talking about . That was another poster bringing that up .

Was/ is the UK a security risk to us ? That is not something I have an opinion on really .

But again in my original post I was calling out a specific name / insult which was and is hate speech , not everybody here who holds different opinions to myself .

I am not going to repeat what was said but if language such as that is allowed to permeate the discussion and becomes everyday without anybody saying it is unacceptable it is a slippery slope .

ECookie13 · 23-11-2023 4:50pm

Five stabbed in a serious incident in Dublin

This is terrible. Did not happen long ago at Parnell Street. 4 kids were stabbed. All the reports are saying it's a non-nationalist. RTE has all the comments turned off which says it all.

This is a tipping point. If this comes out and it's officially an immigrant, then there will be uproar.

Goldengirl · 23-11-2023 4:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402014#Comment_121402014

Not at all. I do believe those protests are by local people....you know, the peaceful protests , where people are not being blocked or intimidated and when foul language and name calling , threats and burning of premises do not occur .

Yes there have been a few of those . But there have been more of the other type of protests.

The thuggery is orchestrated by the far right ( from Ureland and elsewhere) whether some of you admit it ir not.

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Neil Fetherstonhaugh

November 23 2023 11:37 AM

Conor McGregor has launched an astonishing attack on allowing immigrants to vote on his ‘X’ account declaring: “Ireland, we are at war”.

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