Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

300 to 500 klms of tunnels is the figures I heard about. Like I said earlier, only time will tell when the IDF fully control Gaza. And even after that, I'd think that there's a good chance that even then, there will still be questions unanswered.

Well, if what the Israeli Ambassador said is true, that would mean 50 missiles per kilometer (at my figure of 50'000) and give Hamas hundreds of possible fire points to attack Israel from. Like I said several times, only when the IDF are fully in control will the full facts emerge. (hopefully) But why do you think that my figure of 50'000 rockets / missiles is excessive? I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm just interested in what kind of figure you think would be there. Actually, the launch rate of Hamas missiles / rockets from Gaza has dropped off dramatically, but they are increasing now from Lebanon.

I don't think that some people read the hostage release agreement.

Hamas picks the names, gives a list per day, based on what suits them (probably logistically due to where hostages are being held, unlikely that 236 +23 Thai workers are held in one tunnel or even all by Hamas, at least 30 are held ny Islamic Jihad as per Islamic Jihad itself). Hamas, over 4/5 days, is meant to release 52 women and children.

All the hand family is saying in the statement is that Emily isn't on the list for tomorrow's first 13 to be released.

If any commentor here thinks that Israel will plan punish Ireland by holding an 9 yo girl with family, all of which lives in Israel, shows that hatred towards Israel has no boundaries and really thinks that Ireland is a priority for Israel now or ever

Once we [take all of Gaza] it will probably take almost a year to clear the whole Gaza Strip, and to explore all their underground infrastructures, and find all their rockets and missiles . . . The strip is one big bunker,” said Avivi. “It’s full of booby traps, full of IEDs everywhere, bombs, munitions — it’s unbelievable what they built. So there’s going to be a lot of work.”

So Gaza is essentially a giant terrorist bunker with millions of human shields on top. It's kind of brilliant in a Dr Evil way.

Using their own women and children as human shields. Using hospitals and mosques to launch attacks anticipating the Neville Chamberlains in the West will call for ceasefires and appeasement.

Hamas are smart, far smarter than a lot of people in the West evidently. Imagine if they put their considerable abilities to use for good instead of only killing their neighbours and killing their own people?

Israel's military doctrine allows it's military to target it's own in the event of a possible hostage situation. It is common knowledge through interviews and eye witnesses that this happened on the 7th.

How long would it take to invoke do you think. Fact is 28 helicopters and jets were used, tanks were used to attack settlements, they bombed their own bases which were under attack and orders were given and received to do this. Hundreds of Israeli soldiers killed that day and the helicopter pilots are on record as saying they had no idea who they were shooting at.

Not excusing Hamas's role that day in any way, but plain as day hundreds were killed by friendly fire.

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I'm just assuming/guessing Hamas stockpiled rockets for the 7th and fired as much as they had as quickly as they could.

I'm not saying that you are wrong (I don't have a 100 % reliable figure either) But I remember one Hamaz spokesperson claiming that they had 100'000 Rockets / Missiles etc. (he could have been including Mortars in that figure) so I went with the 50'000 figure. That seems reasonable to me for the kind of war Hamaz expects. If you have seen any Russian / Ukraine multiple rocket launching vids, even 50'000 rockets will not last too long. For instance, a BM-21 122-mm MRL can fire all rockets in 6 seconds or fire each singly and can reload in 5 minutes. It can fire the 40 rockets or any part thereof at a fixed 0.5-second interval. Single rockets can be fired manually at any desired interval. One volley from a BM-21 battalion is 720 rounds. I doubt that Hamas has any BM-21's, none the less, several teams working together can fire quite an amount singly. 3'000 that they fired in the same day, and 7'000 in the same week, is quite some doing without using a multiple rocket Launcher.

Of course they could not distinguish who was in a car, who was in a house and who was running through a field.

The point is when you fire on someone you need to be certain that person is the enemy and even the people doing the firing admitted that they knew they would be hitting their own people in the process. That is why they requested the order to do so and that order was given.

The whole idea of that directive was to prevent hostages being taken regardless of who they shot. Maybe if they never did that loads more hostages would of been captured and many more Hamas would of escaped also.

I agree Hamas's actions that day was the cause of the deaths, but i also accept that years of Israels documented crimes against humanity played a part of those actions also. Don't you ?

It's military neutrality.

@Brickster69 Yes, lots of people have disputed Israel's right to exist. Anybody who chants "From the river to the sea..."

As for the French resistance. The French resistance didn't go door to door deliberately executing entire families of German civilians. They didnt mutilate and kill children, civilians. They didn't kidnap German kids as hostages.

Your historical comparison is false, and is a deliberate attempt to downplay the atrocities Hamas inflicted on civilians. Hamas are a terrorist scum death cult. They are not freedom fighters.

Oh right. So someone illegally invades and occupies you, throw your kids in prison, go into peoples homes with a gun and say " **** off this is my home now " build a ghetto around 2.5 million people, tell them they have to leave their homes or they will be blown up and then call them animals who should be destroyed.

What do you expect them to do bake them a cake and give them a bunch of roses ?