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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Constantly threatening to despite it being obvious they won't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Maybe not I didn't check

    They're bending a lot of rules with this Rwanda nonsense

    Letting themselves down in a big way



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Rwanda nonsense is just that. The UK is more likely to join the African Union than to leave the ECHR. We exited Europe years ago and cutting services has been de facto Tory policy for over a decade.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Trying to bend rules. They were actually not allowed to in the end because of UK courts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,473 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Like the craven idiot that he is, Boris Johnson has "written" in his regular newspaper column that what has happened in Dublin were "race riots" and linked it to excessive liberalism and concern over immigration. Looks like the populists have wasted no time fitting the incident into their pre-existing biases



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,994 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Cameron was indeed a terrible PM, I disagree the worst but thats by the by, he has actually made a couple of decent statements about Gaza and the Israel/Palestine situation as Foreign Secretary.


    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,728 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    He may not be the worst but given the stupidity of putting a poorly conceived binary referendum to a disenfranchised electorate without a care of the risk to the UK (all to placate a bunch of right wing idiots in your party) puts him right up there!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,994 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I don't disagree but as I say that's by the by, he's already doing a more nuanced job than multiple predecessors in his current role and his Labour shadow.

    For clarity still a cnut, still shagged a pigs head, still responsible for Libya being a hell hole etc. etc. etc.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not just that. Wanting to bomb Syria, subjecting the poorest people in the UK to what can only be described as torture, gambling the constitution in 2014 and legitimising the Eurosceptics in his party. Maybe he isn't the worst but that's because we've had some spectacular dullards after him though it all started with him.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,617 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    He almost lost Scotland as well. Brown basically came in to help save the day.....along with a litany of lies from Cameron.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sure but it takes a special kind of terrible to gamble with a centuries old United Kingdom, particularly the kind that comes from the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,994 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Without tapping the sign again, he also said the UK should engage with China. If centrists want "grown ups" in government, he's the closest the Tories have come in years.


    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    His "engage" with China is to sell them everything and take bribes while doing it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,473 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ah, remember "Devo Max", that promised extra autonomy if Scotland stayed put? Yeesh.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, this is profoundly depressing:

    It is unlikely a Labour government will be able to meet its ambition to spend £28bn a year on green initiatives, a source close to Sir Keir Starmer has told the BBC.

    Labour announced the flagship policy at its annual conference in 2021.

    But in June shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves watered the pledge down, saying the figure would not be reached until 2027.

    Now, it is understood the figure will probably not be reached at all.

    A senior source in the Labour leader's office said that was because of the state of the public finances. They stressed that Labour's fiscal rules were more important than any policy.

    This is such an open goal. The country badly needs investment but over a decade of the right spreading the overspending myth. A Labour government could create so many good jobs with a scheme like this. Hull, for instance has become a major centre for renewables and windmill manufacturing. The will is there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,994 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    My favourite politician doing what she does best, continued Austerity is on the way if she gets her way. She's entirely obsessed with her self imposed fiscal rules.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I didn't see this on Friday but Starmer appears to admit being a right wing politician and that Labour are a right wing party these days with these comments (which is what many would have suspected anyway):




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,693 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    One view on British parliaments over the years. People really never did had it so good in McMillian's day and Thatcher did improve the economy.




  • Registered Users Posts: 21,618 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Brother of Portsmouth MP Penny Mordaunt avoids jail term for trying to meet 'girl' for sex

    Link

    Note, a number of Just Stop Oil activists were jailed in the past couple of weeks, 1 of which for simply taking part in a slow march.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    So in your view, if someone says immigration numbers are too high, it makes them right wing.

    It's not a judgement on your opinion, it's just an interesting insight.

    Given that the last opinion poll said that three quarters of Irish people felt we took too many refugees, presumably these people are all right wing according to your analysis.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While not THE worst, he is certainly one of the most reckless people in power that I've seen in my time. He's proven that he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any lever of power, no matter what the portfolio is. Into the bargain, he's coming back to politics because he was "bored". Not because of sense of duty to the country. Not because he wants to help the people of the nation. Not because he wants to alleviate some of the fuck ups that the Tories have made in running the country into the ground. But because he was "bored".

    He the exact type of person we need less of in politics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    He's "bored" because his involvement with Greensill and China have destroyed any prospect of him building up business interests. Probably now also bit too stale for the after-dinner speaking gigs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You can trace a lot back to him. Like the fake news thing. He explicitly campaigned in 2010 on no top down reorganisations of the NHS. Once he got in, it got restructured to allow easier outsourcing. In 2015, he promised not to cut income tax credit which he duly did. The House of Lords pushed back and then George Osborne happened to "find" some extra money. He deliberately undermined trust in politics to push his socialism for the rich agenda.

    Exactly. As bad as Johnson is, he only got to where he is riding on the back of Cameron's misjudgements.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Read the comments underneath the tweet. Any traditional left wing supporters of Labour say they are absolutely appalled by his comments - it does look the two main parties in Britain are right wing now (with the Tories being even further to the right of course).

    Left wing parties would appear to be the Greens and the SNP with the Lib Dems in the centre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The ex PM speaker gig is a bit oversaturated these days 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,416 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss



    8 people alive who have been/are PM, which is the most ever. Likely to become 9 sometime next year and could get to 10 later in the decade as the eldest (John Major) seems to be a fit enough 80-year-old.

    By extreme contrast for the last few years of Gladstones second term in the 1880s he was the only living PM.

    /pointless sunday trivia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    You've just ignored the whole point. If someone says immigration is too high, you automatically equate this with being right wing.

    Is this where we're at now in terms of analysis on here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,786 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    We're at 6 - partially due to having younger leaders since the 90s.

    Cosgraves longevity kept us high in numbers for a while too. Fitzgerald died around the time Enda took over, Reynolds during his first term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I suppose the big difference is how many UK PMs who are still alive who have been PM in the last 10 years and without a change of party.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's funny. In all the years that I've following British politics I never thought that I'd looking for a John Major type Conservative to step up.

    While his tenure in office wasn't remarkable in any kind of outstanding achievement, at the very least he was reasonably level headed.



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