Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

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Actually just move the entire thread to where it needs to go, there's no reasonable argument for keeping his political statements which he makes personally out of a conversation of his impact on the company. The 2 are fundamentally tied together.

The only reason one would want to separate or quieten the discussion of what he says and does is because you don't want to hear it and how it may harm the brand.

The most frustrating thread ever and ring fencing the content is completely at odds with the title above it. Should be locked or moved.

In that context when your taking a ryanair flight you're going from A to B there's nothing retained.

In Tesla context your buying a vehicle and you hope to have at least some value in it to buy the next vehicle. The value of one has dropped drastically along with new sales since he started his crusade. The two may not be entirely aligned but its certainly connected in respect he's poisoning the well for the core buying base.

Not everyone , but alienating core customers in a now competitive market is madness

Wasn't the mission statement to bring Ev's to the masses? That would only be accomplished with price reductions, and that success was there for all to see this year when the Model Y became the best selling car in the world.

He's had many mission statements on various businesses and subjects. They're not real they're corporate missions statements. Solar roofs for the masses etc...

So what? He said he wanted to make a mass market Ev and he did. Your assertion that he's harming the brand doesn't tally with the success of the company. I'm sure some people care that he's tool but most don't because they have enough maturity to seperate the brand from the Ceo.

I wouldn't if I were you, the Chinese are coming.😁

3 in 1 ? Or the shredded duck?

That's when I realised he was narcissistic tool.

As a matter of interest what are you considering now? Hopefully you're consistent in your moral outrage.

I've a Seal order in. As previously was probably going for a Y that was the plan in 2022 when our volvo was coming up for change. But the fellas ruined it for me. Again that's my reasoning doesn't have to be anyone else's. I won't buy whilst he's still involved. Would love to see twitter wrestled off him at this point by his backers.

How will you sleep at night supporting the Chinese?

I can't fight every single battle, I mean 'do the chinese' own byd. And who's 'the chinese' which of byds owners harming the uyghurs?

At least you're honest about it. I'd say there will be some great options coming in the next few years.

For me it was simply the superchargers, we need to make multiple Cork to Crumlin trips a year with our son and the lack of fuss involved made it an easy decision. The politics of the company Ceo didn’t get a moments thought.

Honestly you see no issue buying Chinese products? Fair enough.

Of course it's okay for you to have the opinions you hold, but you will be challanged when they don't seem consistent. Your use of Musks own Twitter for example, I mean he doesn't even own Tesla. Your use of his product is support no matter what mental gymnastics you perform.

Ah come on now, I think it was fairly obvious I was talking about their government.

I'm going to leave it at that because you're not honest in your discussions and trying to label me as a China hater is ridiculous.

Musk is Tesla, richest man in the world, complete narcissist, who is on the spectrum and as such has no filters

complete loose canon but without hm Tesla, and EVs wouldn’t only be for hobbyists.

Just buy a Hyundai/KIA, problem solved no need to worry about the politics!

You might want to rethink that. Hyundai child labour and bribing of politicians comes to mind.

Amazing people have different principles. Its almost shocking when you think about that were not some large amorphous blob hive mind.

I was never the target market anyway as I hate the Tesla styling and a few trips in them in taxis in Amsterdam confirmed the shoddy interior quality. But Musk being a complete ballbag really is the icing on the cake. Horrible man. Flawed brand.

But the thread isn't called are you happy with your car, the topic of discussion is Mr musk harming the brand. It holds up that he is. Evidently the growth would be more for various reasons but mostly centered around him personally.

There are probably really questionable behaviours like why he was allowed do cybertruck an utterly mad proposition swallowing funds from the business which could have been used to keep stalks on the steering wheel.

As I've stated multiple times with multiple examples he is now a harm to Tesla as is the premise of the conversation. I don't think anyone including myself would dispute that without them or perhaps him ev growth would not have ramped up as quickly.

It's a forum, it's a discussion people like myself are entitled to discuss the proposition without it being ring fenced to owners. There are also numerous studies indicating people who purchase large value products are less likely to give negative views on their purchase. Human nature . But I'm open to all ears and haven't tried to push opinions out of the topic.

Have I.

I don't recall proposing an alternative view of ownership. The only thing I mentioned was the dramatic fall in price and 46 percent in many cases of value in under 2 years.

Not really a commentary on personal ownership tbf.