"Green" policies are destroying this country

...and again.....

...and in the interest of fairness, the implementation of such can take a long time, so what governments were in place since Chernobyl, and what part have the greens played in forming those governments from this time?

...yes attitudes are indeed changing in regards nuclear, the older im becoming, the more open i am about this, and believe it truly needs to be considered, but we really do need to be honest about this....

...for example, how many citizens would in fact truly encourage the implementation of nuclear, allowing its operations to be in close proximity to their dwelling?

That’s not me and the only way to provide analysis of any generation is over a long period. It’s ridiculous to pick one month

Winf like any source is over the lifetime, so if an investment of 20m generates more power in wind and cleaner than an investment in some other source then it makes sense

No it wasn't you of course, and you are right that generation graphs over a period are much more useful.

The thing is, when the other poster champions wind is great when it hits 100%, it's the same playbook. Show a snippet and rejoice.

This picture would be comparable, albeit for the opposite reason. Throughout the night, when demand is low wind power was non existent. This sort of thing needs to be shown to counteract the big positivity spin for the rare occasions on 100% demand met from wind

I think you may have replied to my post by mistake and your post was meant for someone else.

You do not have to be in government to attempt killing conversations on a topic. Greens have been doing it for decades, but even amongst their ownmembers or their voters the attitude has changed in recent years with the recognotion that we need to get to carbon neutral generation that is not intermittent and undependable.

How many citizens fully encourage the erection of large towers for wind turbines in close proximity to their dewllings ? We have even seen examples here of green being nimbies on that. It is not a problem for nuclear power plants in France or Sweden any more that it is for wind turbines here.

....oh ffs! yes the greens are strongly anti nuclear, we know this, but yes, being in government, and implementing polices, such as those mentioned, to simply completely block the possibility of, plays a major part of such outcomes.....

...holy fcuk!

...sooooo....

...grow the fcuk up, we actually have a widescale political and societal problem preventing nuclear, fact!

...positive attitudes towards nuclear is only based in the fringes, such as ourselves, and this is where its probably gonna stay, again, mention it to folks that we re gonna build a reactor, and materials will be rolling past your house, and you can be guaranteed, the overall reaction would be, by fcuk you are, jog on!

The last part of your comment is interesting. You either don't think the work being implemented will be enough, or you think no matter what is done, then the derogation will be gone either way. We all know the water quality is the measure, albeit loaded against the derogation.

And the derogation loss, as I said previously, won't impact water quality. I've shown examples of where there's a cluster of derogation farmers and the water quality improved. I've shown where there is no derogation farmers and water quality didn't improve. Is that something you know already or is it news to you? How the 7 farmers in Leitrim who are impacted and the expected destocking of ~78 cows there will improve water is a mystery. Same for Wicklow, where the area impacted have no derogation farmers will see water improve is also a mystery. Number of cows doesn't impact water quality the way it's presented.

BTW, Ireland dairy already has an advantage by virtue of grass based. It's one of the reasons output prices here are below the majority in the EU (see this comparing the top processors - https://cdn2.assets-servd.host/zuivel-nl/production/images/Melkprijsonderzoek/ZuivelNL-EDF-ZuivelNL-Milk-price-comparison-September-2023.pdf). If we want to farm here and not take advantage of that to match our EU colleagues then expect to see big industrial dairy units, with thousands of cows each, with massive importation of proteins, and the waste still has to go somewhere.

It's not the EU, it's some of the members. Some EU members see our tax regime as unfair too but I don't see you calling for that to be changed. And there's no advantage if the output prices are below most of the EU members. And it's not making a mess of our waterways. There are other more impactful things affecting waterways like soil types, nutrient management, weather, crop type (I feel like I've addressed this already with you). Promised actions are what the government/EU have mandated to be undertaken, which they are being done.

Ya have a hard on for culling cows even though it won't make the difference you suspect. You then comment on things with an air of superiority when you've shown time and time again you know absolutely nothing about. It's pretty tiresome

Answer what question? I shared the report with you. What question do you wnat me to answer? I am not writing the government strategy

You claimed ireland plan was based on wind, solar and hydro, which was nonsense. Are you happy to say that is nonsense?

My question which you continously keep either refusing to answer or keep attempting to dance around is what power generation sources are in that plan other than wind and solar ?

Hydro you can forget about as it is tapped out and pumping water uphill is a net minus energy game.

Different day same farmer bashing crap.

either you didn’t read the document or you couldn’t understand it

I will leave the rest of the poster to decide which it is, but as you are clearly ignoring information already provided to you then what does it make you?

That's the basics? Eh, that's not how electricity works. It is the consumed almost instantaneously after it is created. Looking at wind or solar over months doesn't keep the frequency at 50Hz, second by second, minute by minute. Tell the boys and girls on the desks in the NCC that the gap they faced this morning is fine, wind will be along at some point.

Your point has to be the worst I've read on here. The fact you are doubling down is bizarre.

Which political party in ireland back nuclear? still waiting. Till you answer its all noise as I said weeks ago

I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not a proponent of nuclear.

But nice deflection, you're called out for your complete lack of understanding about the basics of electricity and how wind is not a dependable electricity source and that looking at it over months is a dumb idea. Your response is to ask about nuclear support in politics? There's clearly no point in arguing with you.