Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

Clegg · 25-11-2023 10:15pm

I'm very impressed by Leinsters defence in their 22. It's notable that we've become more physical in the tackle and even more effective at slowing ball down. That's been a shift in our style, I think. Against Edinburgh, Scarlets and now Munster they've really gone up a gear as the opposition encroach into the 22.

I don't know if that's a bit of work suggested by Nienaber or something the incumbent coaches have spotted as an area to target. Bug it has definitely paid dividends. Leinster look so well organised and dominant defensively.

clsmooth · 25-11-2023 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121418305#Comment_121418305

It’s at this stage you start to worry whether our inaccuracies with the ball are due to the loss of Lancaster on the training ground or just the players slowly integrating back in. It was similar last week. Be good to get Nienaber ASAP. Might give the players a bit more focus as they’ll need to prove themselves to him.

gameoverdude · 25-11-2023 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121418379#Comment_121418379

I like that word. Haven't heard it or used it in ages.👌

Podge_irl · 25-11-2023 10:33pm

Frawley did well but simultaneously he's not a 10 and I hope that's the end of this 6-2 nonsense.

AbusesToilets · 25-11-2023 10:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121418461#Comment_121418461

What elements of his game do you feel are lacking that would keep him from playing 10? Bar his kicking from hand, I thought he played as well as Crowley did. Not advocating for him to be 10, just curious on what's informing your opinion.

Podge_irl · 25-11-2023 11:07pm

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I think we lose shape with him there. I don't think his option taking is where it needs to be - he carries well to the line but I don't think he knows when to release it vs carry it.

For all the talk of Sexton "just shoving the ball along" in the QF, I think dictating where the ball goes from the 10 position is a massive role and one that Frawley doesn't do particularly well. Prendergast can be a bit static when he passes which allows the defence to come up more, but I think he chooses where to send the ball better.

gameoverdude · 25-11-2023 11:11pm

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True, but...he has something about him. Definitely not a plus being a utility player.

I'd stick him at 10 for a few more games.

25-11-2023 11:27pm

The 6-2 split was a stupid risk before kick off, and back fired immediately when we lost a back after 7 or 8 minutes.

I have no idea whatsoever why you name a guy like Culhane on the bench here, and then bring him on at 80 mins. We could have either used the energy he could have brought earlier, or we could have just had a back on the bench instead.

Nigzcurran · 26-11-2023 12:38am

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I agree with you on the stupidity on a 6-2 split but it didn't backfire as we won!

RichieRich_89 · 26-11-2023 1:40am

If Leinster do end up being in the market for a second rower trying to sign Thomas Ahern while perhaps unlikely to be successful would be worth investigating. Really good player.

I thought Leinster's poor attack was the story of the game. Yes, three tries, but none of them really showed excellent attacking phase play. JGP's was a smart bit of play coming out of defence. Sheehan's was clever timing and good footwork breaking from a maul. And Larmour's was a good finish from a bounce pass but with a poor tackle attempt by Zebo. They need to have better shape in attack overall.

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 2:00am

Thought Leinster were poor. Very sloppy. JOB had a mare, imo. Really bad day for him. Frawley did well. Henshaw was non existent.

I reckon they need to go all out again next week. They're just not clicking.

Fair play to Munster. They played very well.

Must love hardship · 26-11-2023 2:02am

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Personally i think there is nothing wrong with a 6 2 split. Having frawley on the bench means a lot of positions are covered. Obviously the plans changed when byrne went down in the first 10 mins. But that's just the gamble you take.

I thought Frawley player well and kicked great.

Jgp waas poor again. Kicks to nowhere. Gave away silly penos and was warned for a yellow for stupidly not giving the ball back.

Ringrose wasn't great tonight either..

Culhane and Penny were on the bench. But Doris and Conan were both in line for man of the march who do you take off when playing that well?

AbusesToilets · 26-11-2023 2:07am

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It's a shame that TOB got an injury, streets ahead of our other wingers so far this season.

sydthebeat · 26-11-2023 2:17am

6/2 bench is worthless if you leave the 6th forward on his arse collecting splinters till the 78th minute

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 2:59am

On the re watch. JOB plays worse! If that's possible.

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 3:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419168#Comment_121419168

Yep! Although Jordan has been good the last couple of weeks.

clsmooth · 26-11-2023 12:04pm

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The back 3 lacked accuracy all game. All 3 threw poor passes (forward passes forced by JOB and Keenan and a right to left pass hitting JOBs back shoulder from Larmour).

JOB had a game where pretty much nothing went his way. Keenan was poor for his high standards after being superb last week. Larmour was the pick of them and took his try well. Hopefully he can continue to get an injury free run and build up his confidence.

We miss Lowes physicality when he’s not there as it’s not a particularly physical back 3. TOB is again hugely unfortunate with his injury. He brings more aggression than the other 3. Again not always about size, but a physical edge.

I think Osborne has to start at 12 when Lowe is out for the kicking option. JOB doesn’t have the same monster boot that the other two have. He’s also ahead of Henshaw on form. Might be seeing Henshaw at 13 a bit more this season as he’s a distance behind Osborne and Ngatai (another with a big boot) for me currently.

redmca2 · 26-11-2023 12:44pm

I have seen Ringrose shooting up in defence in the last 2 matches and miss his target maybe 6 times . . . . . His halo is beginning to slip

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 1:01pm

I just watched the full Edinburgh match. HB outshone Healy, imo. I was a little disappointed in Healy. He looked good in parts of the match and then he kind of looks lost.

leakyboots · 26-11-2023 3:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419911#Comment_121419911

I've been pointing that out for a while on here, I threw up his missed tackle stats for Ireland for last 12 months recently but some don't seem to want to believe it/agree, their point being that his misses aren't costly etc.... each to their own... but for me he misses a lot of tackles and Munster made hay down his channel on several occasions last night. He did make a couple of cracking reads when covering out also to be fair to him

sydthebeat · 26-11-2023 3:33pm

Last night was the first time I can recall a ringrose shoot n miss being directly the cause of a try. It's probably happened before but I can't recall something as clearly obvious.

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 3:40pm

Watching it back I can't really fault the forwards. I think the backline being so sloppy gave Munster an in. Munster were defensively good, but I'm speaking about the uncharacteristic passes behind players, the pass to touch etc. It seemed that the backline was at odds with each other. Keenan with errors, JOB with his worst performance that I've seen and the missed tackles.

I think the pack was good. They were all a 7/10 for me. As the game went on Ryan and Doris stepped up. VDF while not brilliant was quite good. Busby was poor reffing the scrum. Porter was all over Archer. Way to many re sets for Archers infringements.

I would say that Gibson Park played better than he has in a while. I thought his world cup was average.

Podge_irl · 26-11-2023 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420421#Comment_121420421

His misses for Ireland aren't costly and are clearly part of the defensive plan to disrupt the other team. It is often incredibly effective and his missed tackle stats are irrelevant in that context.

He just didn't do it very well last night. His stats might look similar but his performance was far worse as he was shooting out at the wrong time and not disrupting the Munster attack at all.

ulsteru20s · 26-11-2023 6:26pm

In Nienebar’s system… would ringrose fit better on a wing? Slide Osborne into 13.

conquestscarer · 26-11-2023 6:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121421268#Comment_121421268

I'd say so, probably more likely to go with Osborne 12, Henshaw 13, Ringrose wing though. I don't think Farrell would be happy though.

ulsteru20s · 26-11-2023 6:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121421277#Comment_121421277

Yea the actual politics of doing that make it a tough call, but i’d like to see it in just one game.

Clegg · 26-11-2023 7:18pm

Think we all need cool it a bit on Ringrose. He has started the season poorly, but he's just coming off his best season ever performance wise. He's the best 13 in Europe and was named best in the world for his position recently. Lets reel in the hyperbole.

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 9:07pm

Henshaw is a downgrade at 13. He's 3rd choice at best.

Dubinusa · 26-11-2023 9:18pm

Who would you lads choose in a final, Porter, Jack Mc when he was healthy or. Healy in his prime? For me it's Healy. Jack then Porter.

durthacht · 26-11-2023 9:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121421268#Comment_121421268

Ringrose is one of the best outside centres in the world, so why on earth would anyone move him to the wing?

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