Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

Most of that is gibberish and factually incorrect with a mix of misguided predictions

Ive had this guy pop up in my recommendations a few times recently, i gave him a try but cant shake the feeling that hes just playing the same game as Nostradamus, he makes grand geopolitical predictions on a daily basis and even a broken clock is right twice a day. His calm demeanor and ability to waffle using large words is what sets him apart and makes him seem authoritative and knowledgeable but in reality hes just throwing darts blindfolded especially when it comes to anything outside North America.

Also his perception of Ireland is about 15+ years out of date, im guessing maybe that was the last time he visited.... "cultural development has been stunted"...... and his critique of our food is nonsense. He claims we have an inability to support a large population which im guessing hes basing on our population stats and means he has no clue about what the famine did to us and how we still feel its effects today.

But the Brits are going to take out our Bridge with their aircraft carriers!!!!!

or something

chatGTP would do better.

He completely ignores our relationship with the rest of the EU … our ‘crappy climate’ and ‘terrible food’ are major positives … ah, why bother … somebody’s wrong on the internet again

What does this even mean? We've been constantly enacting policies and taking action since 2016 to minimise brexit impact. What specifically have we not done that you think we should be doing?

Brexit has worked about as well as most sensible people predicted. Well maybe a bit worse as many industries were more entwined with EU supply lines and customers than most people thought.

For it to be a success for the majority of the British people you'd have to describe what that meant. It's been 7 years since the referendum so if they haven't managed to define a "successful" Brexit so far I doubt it gets much better than this.

Farage was asked recently what Brexit had done for the average citizen. His answer was along the lines of sovereignty.

E.g. Remember the great deals the UK were going to do by themselves

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/25/uks-flagship-post-brexit-trade-deal-worth-even-less-than-previously-thought-obr-says

Despite repeated invitations, you haven't explained what you mean by a "successful brexit", or how it would be detrimental to us.

There is no unwritten rule against discussion of these points; you're just refusing to discuss them. You pretend to want a discussion but refuse to have one; that's why people get annoyed.

Ironically, I think Brexit has been good news for the EU and Ireland, even though I didn't think would be in June 2016. It has brought the other 27 closer together and guaranteed the future of the union. So yes, it can be argued that Brexit has been a big success.

That point has been made over and over again in my criticism of Starmer. It has been clear for some time that there is a sizable anti Brexit sentiment but Starmer has chosen to go down the route of "making Brexit work".

Interestingly, Laura Kuenssberg on BBC , yesterday, in discussing the UK economy and its' problems, shut down any mention of Brexit. So in some quarters it is still not for discussion.

As far as I know, there is no need for another referendum, although it might be politically safer to have one. But I think the EU will only want a UK application to join under certain conditions and certainly not coming with a load of UK exceptions. Realistically , it is hard to see an application succeeding withing the next ten years.