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Conor McGregor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Anger and hopelessness does not equate to mass stupidity though.

    The vast majority of people in this country correctly consider him nothing more than a scumbag.

    Anyone looking to him for 'hope' are probably beyond hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You're not making any sense!

    A) He isn't in a party

    B) No County council in the country would have anything like the numbers to nominate him

    Kevin Sharkey, Sarah Louise Mulligan, Gemma O'Doherty didn't get the numbers. They are all in the same political mould.

    It's batshit delusional to think any County Council would nominate him, never mind more than 1

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,662 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    A Scumbag Millionaire (TM) is still a scumbag.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,119 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The only way McGregor's supporters are entering a polling station is if you set one up inside a Foot Locker or Canada Goose shop, and they decide to loot it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The fact the embedded image is broken makes it even better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭prunudo


    If the last few years has thought me anything, it's that 'never' is a dangerous word to use when it comes to politics and the world we live in.

    Trump will never be President of US.

    Uk will never vote to leave EU.

    Russia will never invade Ukraine.

    They will never restrict peoples freedom for that long.

    SF will never be the most popular party.


    So anyone who says there will never be a far right party or leader in Ireland or that C McG will never be elected in Ireland are very niave and haven't been paying attention to the playbook in other countries.



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  • Agree 💯.

    It would be bloody dangerous to write him off and I think people are very naive. The man is a threat.

    If he did enough lines tonight and set off on twitter he could trigger young lads onto the streets again and he **** knows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,404 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Has he actually mentioned the Presidency? Apologies if he has but I missed it. Even so, on the 1% chance he was elected President it’s a pretty ineffective role and I’d be more worried about the Aras than any political mess he could create - Del Boy’s bedroom springs to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Sounds like a simple plan anyone could pull off. Why don't you try it yourself?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You can't just pick any old celebrity and say "future political leader" and it be true cos something something Brexit. Not everything becomes possible because some other unlikely swing happened; not least because for starters McGregor hasn't made any noise about politics (Trump had through the past, and was a registered Democrat IIRC fadó) and has not shown any appetite or competence for public service. At least Trump adhered to the perennial fantasy that business leaders make good political ones.

    While I'd debate McGregor's popularity outside of the internet - a place that invariably swims in extremes - and if anything, the lingering opinion I get is distaste for the man, not adoration as some peerless ambassador. Especially outside working class urban areas, the guy's seen as a thug.

    As to the far right, "never" is a good guess cos our system is often coalition based thanks to Proportional Representation and no historical tolerance for political extremes (fascism and communism largely passed us by). Even if a far right party became suddenly popular, PR would likely require climbdown to find itself a government partner - as we'll see in Holland in the coming weeks as Wilders himself must find a government partner and park lunacy like exiting the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I agree, it unlikely to happen, but never say never. As you say he is a thug, I can't stand the man and everything about him, from the crassness to drugged up followers and fanboys.

    Still though, doesn't mean I can't see a blacklash coming against the established parties. If they keep labelling people and failing to listen it feeds into the likes of a C McG type narcissist gaining popularity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I reckon McGregor would be thick enough to run, take donations off Elon Musk and break all our electoral laws.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    We're already getting the backlash, it's called a Sinn Fein government and it'll make international headlines for a host of reasons. The DUP will have a collective aneurysm and there'll be tremors felt. Not getting into the weeds of what is suitably far from "established parties", cos if you think Eirigi or the National Party are biding their time, "never say never" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

    A lurch any further along the left or right axis isn't gonna gain traction cos when the rubber hits the road, Irish people have more immediate concerns than demonising immigrants. As I said we simply don't have an appetite for populism or far right politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    SF are a catch all party in terms of support in reality though. A lot of SFs support is not necessarily left wing at all. And there is a question of how much of SF support is about hard-core nationalism.

    A SF government does actually open up the growth of far right with some disaffected SF supporters then looking at far right alternatives.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭slay55


    He’d have my vote



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I really can't see how that tracks: SF are hoovering up the middleground, middle class vote but don't see how you look at the polls and see a simmering right wing cohort; and if anything, FF have been the preference for the socially conservative, they'll be there for the frustrated centre-right. SF like many bridesmaid left wing parties have had to soften their rhetoric to appeal to the wandering voter, but not so much there'd be a significant right wing cohort - arguably they're already gone.

    "Far Right" alternatives are political detritus and it'd take a massive collective moment of head trauma for their numbers to creep above the margin of error they currently occupy. And given Irish politics' distinctly local focus, these malcontents would have to supplant all the current independents, FF, FG, SF politicians currently getting roads fixed, GAA club roofs repaired, school runs organised and so on. Justin Barrett and his ilk haven't the follow through to get their hands dirty where it matters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra



    SF - October 2023 poll

    ABC1 - 26%

    C2DE - 42%

    Support for SF is much higher among working classes

    There is a small element of SF support that is about nationalism. If/when SF are seen to let these people down then there are alternatives who profess nationalism. I am not claiming the Far Right will goto 10 or 15% overnight but it would be naive to think a SF government wouldn't see a growth in Far right opposition given some of their support includes voters who only vote for nationalistic reasons. SFs voting absolutely does include a percentage who could decide to abandon them and look at more right wing alternatives. I'm not saying it's large. I'm not saying it's all. I am saying it exists and could look for alternatives after SF enter government.

    Plus a lot of the independents are already swinging rightwards too! Mattie McGrath, Verona Murphy, Noel Grealish, Michael Collins

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Just wondering where Conor pays his taxes, in this country or in another. Seems to spend a lot of time outside Ireland.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Fair enough re. polling but I would say that you gotta court the middle classes if you wanna govern cos all the primary issues ATM are, TBH, broadly middle class ones - but not exclusively obviously either. I'd be curious to see breakdowns of the reliability of voting that might (dis)prove my speculation cos as it is with age demographics, not every economic bracket votes en masse (as I've aged the inability of young people to vote has only infuriated me further). Do the poor and disenfranchised vote as frequently as middle class?

    I mean, as to the rest I guess we'll find out sooner rather than later cos a SF led government (take your pick of minor coalition partners) is a matter of when at this stage, not if.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭JVince




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,118 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I wouldn't also assume that the entire middle class is left or liberal either. There's a conservative cohort amongst them (Followers of say David Quinn, Breda O'Brien etc) that could be pulled rightwards. As we have seen in the US with Liberal left social policy such as Roe V Wade these things can move backwards

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They can but whereas you can easily track Roe v Wade from ... well, the very moment the case became law, I haven't seen a concerted conservative movement here in Ireland that'd make me worry. Don't underestimate the lopsided power evangelical Christianity holds over American life vs. Ireland where Catholicism has been well and truly put in the ha'penny place. A move backwards would kinda need Ireland to adapt some sudden mass conversion to religion, at a minimum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,543 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    word of warning, don't mention that in public unless you want to be laughed at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,580 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Conor McGregor = Irish Trump.

    Jesus lads, what sort of drugs are you on?

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,917 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This sort of stuff is just demented:

    Is that all it takes to impress some people? Say something horrible about foreigners these days and you seem to have legions of people praising you.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,877 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Just on my suggestion that McGregor needs rural trusted known names to join his party - some further thoughts -

    The Healy Rae’s and Mattie McGraths, etc might be good candidates to join his party.

    Lots of experience in Dáil Éireann and conservative, anti migrant politicians.

    Another strong “potential” - Kelly Harrington.

    She has a strong backing in Dublin but is a national treasure status also.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,917 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In all seriousness, there's a National Party, an Irexit Party, and Ireland First. Like, how much more room is there for more Quisling traitor outfits?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    People here got a taste of ever increasing refugee numbers and in Europe too. It was all too easy to laugh at the Americans until we experienced it ourselves. Even in the US the so call sanctuary cities that are extremely left wing are complaining. Trump will benefit from the current climate, and just as here those unaffected will wag their finger while doing nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,431 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I didn't vote in the last election, but I would go out of my way to vote against him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Apparently a little celebrity is all that's needed?

    American politics is not European or Irish, don't know why that needs clarifying. As ancapaill says we already HAVE anti immigrant parties and nobody votes for them because the Big Bad Threat people claim is there doesn't manifest on the doorstep during canvassing.

    The prevailing response to the riot has been "fúck the racist scrotes", not "we must have a serious conversation about how there are too many migrants, thank you looters of Foot Locker".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,580 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    McGregor as some sort of far right political firebrand reads like some sort of left wing misery porn/ fever dream.

    The man is a cretin, yeah there's lots of skangers who look up to him for being a coked up rapist but they're not a sector of society who are known for swinging election results.

    The next general election will be a real indication of Ireland's true appetite for far right candidates, the most prominent of who have been experiencing internal turmoil of late. Last time out the far right accounted for less than 1% of total votes cast. Even if they enjoyed relative exponential growth they're not going to get anywhere, and for that to happen voters have to ignore the likes of Justin Barrett openly quoting Mein Kampf.

    How Conor McGregor factors into this bringing his hoards of coked up "Yup Bro" fans (most of whom you'd assume have never registered to vote) to the table is anyone's guess.

    Although I must admit there's something amusing about the idea of Taoiseach Conor McGregor draped in a tricolour screaming "yis'll do nuttin" across the Oireacthas at the opposition.

    Post edited by nullzero on

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The response to the riots was that there is not enough Gardai in D1 or elsewhere. There were opportunists that took advantage of the situation which was a result of Ireland’s weak immigration policy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The lack of Gardaí on the streets has nothing to do with immigration. And given the 11(?) torched cop cars there'll be even fewer Gardaí on the streets now - funny that. How you link not enough Gardaí with weak policy sounds like a conclusion worked backwards.

    There's a chronic shortage of cops, teachers, doctors, childcare specialists, army, firefighters, plumbers, nurses and about every other "vocation" in Ireland - none of that is immigration related. Indeed, they're sectors where the problem is solved with immigration. Maybe Pawel and Mohammed need to be put in a uniform while their partners work our hospitals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    He could give Higgins a run for money with the amount of times he puts his foot in his mouth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    None of those problems will be solved by the people posing as refugees with no education or needed skills. The whole system has been played for years and here you are comparing skilled migrants with refugees travelling through multiple safe countries shopping for better welfare and landing with their handout.



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    This is untrue.

    Immigrants doesn't exist in a vacuum. They are consumers too. 10k come to fill jobs and that 10k need services, food, housing, infrastructure etc which creates demand for more immigrants to fill roles to cater for demand.


    The problem is the population growing too fast all at once. Year after year PPS numbers issued records are broken, passport issued records are broken. Too much all at once



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    None of this addresses how immigration somehow takes away Gardaí from problem areas in Dublin.

    What you want, and most people want, is fast processing of asylum claims, but again this has no link with policing - and instead speaks to a bureaucratic failure to process valid refugees from those with no right to stay. A distinction not exactly expressed by those screaming "go back to where you came from" as they torched Gardaí cars.

    Thanks to these scrotes, your lament about a lack of police is now worsened by a sudden reduction in equipment - this is hardly anyone's fault except the listless scumbags.

    Show me figures that show population growth would be arrested enough by closing immigration, such that service demand is lessened, and I'll take you point. You seem to be implying were it not for migration our vocations would be perfectly staffed - when the truth is adequately shown here and elsewhere critical roles require inward migration. We can't magic nurses or doctors from the "native" population, so we need migration.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,917 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, the problem is people who expect nothing to change. People expect everything to stay the same so they object to new houses, funding childcare and so on. The world is different than it used to be. If you refuse to adapt, you will experience problems.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,554 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    You really have your finger on the pulse of the Irish political scene and the feelings of the nation it has to be said.

    I think you'd make a great senior advisor to Mr. McGregor when he starts his own political party.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    Change of what?

    My post is related to the unprecedented volume of immigration in a short time. Yours seem to point towards something else



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    What sort of people object to providing refuge to people who have endured a monthslong siege underground with no power, nor access to food, water or sanitation?

    Even the worst-off live very cosy little lives here by comparison.

    If our government can't run the show, lets not blame the godforsaken Ukrainian refugees.

    Skills-wise, immigrants are keeping the economy afloat in this country.

    A tiny minority of ignorant hoors are a blight that needs to be dealt with.

    Unfortunately, those tasked with the management of public security seem ill-equipped to do so!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,554 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    What sort of person believes the refugees arriving here have survived a month underground with no water?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Again, where's the proof the burden is coming from immigration? If there's more detail further in then I'm all ears but according to the CSO,

    Births to mothers of Irish nationality accounted for more than three-quarters (76%) of births in 2022. A further 1.9% of births were to mothers of UK nationality, with 2.3% born to mothers from EU14 countries (excluding Ireland).

    If there's pressure it's not coming from migrants. People are living longer, healthier lives - thus vocations aren't able to match demand, and hence migrant doctors, child carers and so on. Or indeed the ticking time bomb of pensions, but none of this are immigrants fault.

    And bogus asylum seekers need better bureaucracy so legitimate cases can be absorbed into our society. The immigrants themselves sure don't like being stuck in legal limbo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    Why would you choose births rather than people entering the country last year and recent yeard? Bizarre


    From the CSO April 2023

    There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,917 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    • "There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland"




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