Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Nice strawman.

My post, and the content speaks for itself (for anyone expressing doubt because its on Twitter, that's totally fair, but that applies when you're posting videos of Hamas statements or attacks also or complaining about what people at protests are saying when your evidence is...... Twitter).

That post, is another piece of evidence, and there have been many, that show that Hamas have been treating the hostages in a much more humane way than A - The media and Israel/US said they would and B more humanely than Israel treats its hostages.

I think its fair enough to bash the Israeli government for what they have been doing in the past month. Are we not even allowed to bash them even for insulting our foreign ambassador? You must very long exiled from Mayo, if think the Irish will just accept that with no comment.

And just so there is no confusion I think there is very little support for Hamas here, however there is no love for Israel either.

I would agree on the hamas treatment comment, it is strange. I would also say it is noticeable the lack of condemnation of israels treatment of our ambassador here by some posters who claim to be Irish. Its like everyone has chosen a team and that they cant conceive criticising their chosen team no matter what they do and to whom.

Of course its confusing. For some.

Some people bought the Israeli narrative and any evidence that highlights how that narrative is flawed probably find it hard to deal with given their actions over the last 6 weeks.

This is how Israel are handling the releasing of hostages.

Could be more the Taoiseach they insulted, I think. They imply he selected words to santise or downplay Hamas' actions, so cowardice (at best) or apologism for terrorists (at worst) I suppose + have run with that. It is quite dirty and dishonest, kind of stuff you might expect from a dictatorships' spokescreatures, and not the shining beacon of democracy in the ME (lol). Anyway their govt. is rotten, and this is just another (small, unimportant) thing that shows it up.

I think they could have insulted Leo online and people wouldn't have cared, but constantly bringing it up now and bringing in the Irish ambassador has left a bad taste in Irish mouths. We can insult our Taoiseach but when a foreign country does it is out of order. No different to what happens in a lot of countries.

This strawman is getting quite the kicking.

It is curious that you want to view Hamas in as positive a light as possible but appear to have completely the opposite approach to Israel.

The letter seems to have been written the day before her release given what ‘she says’. It is common enough practice for hostages to be forced to write or ‘confess’ etc. Has happened as far back as the Gulf War etc from memory. Perhaps the Israeli woman is thinking of the welfare of other hostages and did write it entirely by herself. Or this could be the reason she hasn’t retracted it.

It’s a bit like the Hamas terrorists staged waving to the kids getting into the Red Cross vehicles. In fairness to Hamas some people have swallowed it hook line and sinker so it was worth doing.

Other media sources have hostages losing 7kg, one meal per day of bread and rice, struggling to cope with the light etc but thankfully, aside from splitting up families, no signs of physical torture that i have read about yet.

For the avoidance of doubt, it is not ok to keep hostages even if they aren’t actually physically tortured. God help their families at home as well.

Obvious what I meant by "we"

Yes ,do speak for yourself .

Hook line and sinker falling for Hamas BS?

Theres plenty here who will.

Is that how this is supposed to work?

Sure Hamas are a great bunch of lads.

They deliberately killed, mutilated, raped defenceless civilians.

But according to you give them credit for not abusing the hostages they seized at gunpoint in a war crime.

Hostages whose fate was under huge global scrutiny in part because of Israels publicising of Hamas atrocities against civilians.

Incredible some people seen to take more issue, produce more volume of posts, over some faux concern wrt Ithe exact number and specifcs of the atrocities, than concern wrt the actual horrific atrocities carried out by Hamas which have been established and what that says about Hamas.

Less outrage over 800 dead than about whether Israel reported it as 800 or 1200. They are all victims for which Hamas holds ultimate moral responsibility for attacking civilians in the manner they did.

Any excuse to defend Hamas.

Says it all.

A shameless rogue State.

Imagine the outrage if, after a prisoner swap between Ukraine and Russia for 100 captives each, Russia just went around the occupied territory and picked up a fresh 100 random new prisoners off the street.

What happens to the prisoners released by Israel?

Are they going to Gaza ?Or are some going to the West Bank and some to Israel itself?

If I was being released to Gaza ,self interest might dictate me staying put in prison because if /when the conflict resumes will they be considered legitimate targets if they are pro Hamas?

Israel should not be in the West Bank at all but in the ongoing situation where they are being (justifiably) attacked then it is logical that they are going to be making arrests on an ongoing basis(and replenishing their pool of potential prisoner swaps)

Cynical,probably yes but they may not even have the choice at this stage.

Does anyone believe that Hamas will release all the hostages?

I have my doubts that they will release the soldiers they captured because if they do then there is nothing to prevent the Israelis flattening everything in Gaza. Keeping the soldiers in the tunnels might prevent bombing or flooding them as they might kill their own too. They held a captured soldier for 5 years previously.

Any views lads? How will it pan out?