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  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭techman1


    The assumption is baseless unless external powers agree to freeze the conflict, one side or the other will collapse. The Korean situation only became possible because the major powers had enough and the US had the muscle to keep an army in place on the peninsula.

    You gave 3 hypothesis on how the war could end but you excluded one possibility. The west and the rest of Eastern Europe especially Poland has alot riding on this war and the defeat of Russia. If it was likely that ukraine was about to collapse surely an intervention by poland to prevent that would be a possibility. Obviously then it becomes a wider war, but would China enter in order to bail out putin, I doubt it. Obviously the US would be extremely wary of an intervention by poland so massive aid to ukraine in order to prevent the collapse of ukraine. The west and Europe have alot riding on this war too. They cannot allow putin to succeed in ukraine. Poland is now one of the biggest military powers in Europe, I doubt Russia would be in a position to take on a fresh European army in ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Stay classy Russian propaganda 🤣

    edit: there’s more


    “Civilisation made a big mistake in educating women”

    This is handmaidens tale type bullshit from a country that wouldn’t know what civilisation is

    Post edited by m2_browning on


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Insurance in Russia??? The way the insurance "industry" works in Russia, if you don't have it, for sure your business will go up in smoke. Thats a certainty, but what's not so certain is that even with having insurance, and your business goe's up in smoke, that you will be covered. Its the Russian Way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This is handmaidens tale type bullshit from a country that wouldn’t know what civilisation is

    And I will continuously remind everyone, like an unapologetic broken record, that this is rhetoric precisely matched by the modern American Conservative movement. Perhaps not quite "national TV" level yet, but definitely CPAC level (which Republican politicians, including Trump of late, would attend) and thus quite a mainstream audience. Roe v. Wade was already scrubbed, curtailing gender equality wouldn't be that far a leap. We gawp and shake our heads at Russia slowly devolving, one talking head at a time, but our closest cultural and political partner after the UK could find itself heading that way too.

    Let's not forget The Handmaid's Tale's story all started because of ... a severe drop in childbirth rates, and a collapsing population. hmmm, sound familiar?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Nor that the Handmaid's Tale was originally written as a thought exercise "What if the Islamic Revolution that happened in Iran was a Christian Revolution that occurred in the US?" i.e. it is based on events which happened in the real world rather than just as a thought experiment in Atwood's imagination.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Report that Ukrainian forces fell back from a demolished industrial area near Adiivka to allow for more of putin's forces to be eliminated:




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    I had considered considered it, and discounted in on the basis of the old refrain that soldiers win battles while logistics win wars and NATO is out of ammunition. This was one of the scenarios hypothesized during the nuclear scares of the 1980s, that both sides would quickly run out of conventional munitions and resort to firing nukes if one side or other made a break through. Since the 1980s, European manufacturing has been off-shored and switched to just in time with extended supply lines, the West does not have the ability to scale weapons production for that scale of offense. To date Europe has not been able to scale production to meet demand. Western politicians, did not think this war through and are now learning a brutal lesson in logistics, manufacturing, sourcing materials and production planning. How long can can a NATO army be supplied in the field?

    Germany has been crippled by shutting off fuel and mineral supplies, it is the funding nation for the EU project. I expect an economic collapse of Germany (and through it the EU). I reckon that crisis is likely 2 to 4 years out. Politics across the West are at the moment trending towards nationalism, there is no common cause uniting EU countries against Russia and a switch to a war economy. Across the board in Western Europe, inflation especially cost of accommodation, mass migration and energy policy (i.e. climate) have been creating political instability

    There are other maneuvers underway on the financial side: Why China & Saudi Arabia Have Signed A $6.9 Billion Currency Swap Deal

    The Saudis need $80 oil to meet their domestic budgets and "the West" wants low oil prices, especially to hurt Russian budgets.

    The Chinese government are replacing their trade partners' US treasury holdings with Peoples Bank of China treasuries, this will give countries an option to mitigate financial restrictions imposed US government policy.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,031 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Lot of assumptions in there??? You think the 'combined west' has less capacity in munitions already stock piled and what it can manufacture than Russia?? Can't see anyone betting on that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    If has already been mentioned several times on the thread that "Europe" has not been able to deliver the ammunition their politicians promised. It has not been explained why this failure has happened.

    When discussing the scenario that NATO gets involved in face to face fighting with the Russians, the logistics of the campaign will need to be organised. In that scenario Belarus becomes actively involved and that is at least another 300,000 men called up on the Russian side. NATO will need to move their armies 600 KM from the Polish borders to the Dniper river for starters and further to the Russian borders, that requires transport and fuel. Weapons and munitions will be needed, how much can European industry supply for this operation? It's not possible to take half measures and do it cheap, the population has to be behind the governments and taxes must be raised. There are quite large protests over the goings on in Israel, what do you expect to happen if you want to send NATO armies into Ukraine?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,405 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Interesresting report

    Summary:


    All Eyes On Rafah



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    By the time they realise it's too late and they either die/surrender to Ukraine or get shot retreating. If you constantly bring in new storm units they don't have time to organise a revolt. The regular Russian soldiers are probably kept happy by the fact they don't have to do the storming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,031 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Eh, NATO have had 18+months to plan and configure for various scenarios - to plan those logistics. They've not been sitting around twiddling their thumbs. No doubt but that NATO and individual states are monitoring the situation on a daily basis and adapting plans and strategies as needed. And don't forget our reluctant friends, the Swiss, who manufacture munitions but currently prefer them not to be used to their real purposes. What Europe/US/NATO/Friends have been supplying to Ukraine is surely a different matter to what they actually have on hand.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The explanation is that Europe stopped making the type of cheap unguided artillery shells that Ukrainian doctrine requires. They struggle to make unguided shells - they would also struggle to manufacture muskets and bayonettes.

    NATO doesnt need as many unguided shells - they have HIMARS and F35s.

    Its pretty damn simple really, except if you look at one particular munition type, squint, then assume it applies across the board.

    Amazing, Russia is pushing this exact same line. Funny that.

    More detailed post here:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285979#Comment_121285979



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Belarus and direct NATO involvement, you still haven't moved past the 3 day "walkover".

    Again, what do you want russia to do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭techman1


    The Saudis need $80 oil to meet their domestic budgets and "the West" wants low oil prices, especially to hurt Russian budgets.

    The Chinese government are replacing their trade partners' US treasury holdings with Peoples Bank of China treasuries, this will give countries an option to mitigate financial restrictions imposed US government policy.

    we know the saudis want to keep oil above $80, but China is getting russian oil much cheaper than that so russian budgets are being hurt and China not helping Putin it will take the cheap oil thank you very much. The twitter thread you posted doesn't make a whole lot of sense because foreign reserves are much more valuable to a country than your own currency. Therefore if China is lending dollars to other countries but demanding chinese currency as payment that is just plain stupid because China can print its own currency but not dollars, how does that country get chinese yuan, by selling goods to China. Therefore China acting like a charity its giving poor countries dollars for which they can buy US and western goods, it gets paid in chinese yuan but must buy produce from that poorer country in order to facilitate this. Therefore the balance of payments of that country aswell as the West improves but it disimproves for China because it is losing foreign reserves and importing rather than exporting goods. Also the whole fantasy of Putin that the chinese yuan would rival the dollar falls down because chinese yuan are not being held as reserves but are just used for transactions. In this example the poor country does not hold onto yuan but china exchanges its US dollars for its own currency, therefore the only countries holding large reserves of yuan are China itself and probably Russia as it is locked out of everything else



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    Estonian intelligence doesn't believe Russia can push Ukrainian army from the East bank of the Dnipro.https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/25/7430339/

    The fact that the Ukrainian army has been able to create a foothold across a major river without any heavy weapons, are are still there and been pushed back into the river just shows how weak the Russian Army is now.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The reason the US is currently short on spare ammunition to give away is that it made the foolish mistake of hoping that other nations might have enough munitions for their own use, not because there were various consolidations and mergers in the industry. After having donated millions of rounds, the US has not dipped into its own pre-determined war stocks levels (with the arguable exception of the cluster munitions which were theoretically still war stocks, even though slated for withdrawal). The US continued to build things like Javelin missiles and M1 tanks in excess of its own requirements precisely to ensure that its production capacity did not atrophy in the same manner as European nations. Remember this, for example, from a decade ago?

    How many times on Boards have we seen commentary about the size of the US defense budget and scathing commentary about the US buying missiles instead of hospitals. Who could have possibly known that you can't defend your basic existence as a nation by slinging cheap prescription drugs at the enemy?

    Ammunition is a standard design, who makes it is not much of a factor. If it's all made by Lake City or Scranton, by GDLS or BAE is irrelevant. Production of the M4 rifle doesn't care if it's made by a Colt factory, an FNH factory and a Remington factory (as they are), or if they are all bought out and built by three Colt factories. It's also worth noting that the equipment to build much of the hardware is owned by the Army. GDLS may operate the Lima Tank Plant, but the plant and the machines to do it are government owned. Same with Watervliet arsenal which makes the barrels for tanks and artillery. No amount of mergers or acquisitions will change that, and even if BAE bought out GDLS or whatever, they couldn't shut down Lima no matter how much they wanted to. (They could, however, reduce the number of employees, which would lead to delays in restarting due to need to retrain).

    All one needs to do is look at history. In WW2 there was a bit of an outcry in that the US government did not award major contracts to the multitude of businesses that could undertake contracts at the time. That was a deliberate decision by the industrial genius Bill Knudsen, that the government should focus only on the major corporations on the basis that the few major corporations could expand and subcontract as necessary. And that's exactly what they did. If they had to share common parts plans, they did. Continental built Wright engines, Ford and Chrysler built Rock Island tanks, and if something was beyond the ability of the company to make, they subcontracted out to companies which they eventually bought out after the war anyway. The government doesn't much care if an aircraft is made by Northrop with Westinghouse Electric ball turrets, or if the whole thing is made by Northrop Grumman Electric (Northrop bought Westinghouse's defense business in 1996). In effect, the US built its way through WW2 using a small number of providers by choice, and it worked. Today there is a small number of providers, not by choice, but there's no reason to believe it doesn't have the same effect.

    The US has historically solved many of its military and manufacturing problems by throwing money at it. The US has the ammunition manufacturing capacity its politicians have been willing to pay for for the last three decades. Had the politicians decided that they wanted to buy 100,000 rounds of ammunition a year, the factories would have been set up to do it. The number of companies in the bidding have nothing to do with that.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    ^ well said

    Notice how all the moaning about ammunition in last few months is coming from Russian or pro Russian or “Ukraine should sign away a quarter of its country to a crowd who repeatedly double crossed them” lot

    Ukrainians themselves have been quiet once cluster munitions tap (5.5 million of them with each one 10x more deadly than standard round) and various long range missiles including HIMARS have started flowing

    Zalushny clearly outlined in his paper the 5 things he thinks will win the war

    1. Air superiority
    2. EW warfare
    3. Counter battery fire
    4. Demining
    5. Training and reserves

    In meantime we in the civilised world should continue to squeeze the Russians ever tighter…. Along with their “friends”




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Turn on the English subtitles, the interview is in Ukranian. There is now a "terrible shortage" of artillery shells and "huge shortage" of mines and military personnel on frontline. The person giving the interview heard "scary numbers" that average age in some brigades is 54 & that 3 people remain in some companies out of 110 at start of the war. They are not allowed to report certain numbers.

    General Zaluzhny may be relieved of command over the course of the next month.

    Zaluzhny did not provide a plan for war 2024 and must leave - people's deputy from Servant of the People

    “Yes, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was unable to provide a plan for 2024. Neither large nor small, neither asymmetrical nor symmetrical. The military simply said that they need to take away at least 20 thousand citizens per month,” she writes.

    PResident Zelensky has had to come out and disavow the above claim, but she is sticking to it.

    Zelensky disowned People's Deputy Bezugla's accusations against the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny

    Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky disowned the statements of Maryana Bezugla , who made accusations against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, and condemned her statements.


    Plus if all that is not bad enough there is the truckers strike on the Polish border which is creating logistics problems.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    And given the apparent lack of a plan in Ukraine for 2024, what do you want russia to do in response to that?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    An unsuccessful political candidate who isnt in Zelenskys party, and a pro Russian Ukrainian opposition media article are your sources?

    Well I for one accept your views at face value



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,877 ✭✭✭✭josip


    When you want to find a particular type of news, you can't be fussy about your sources.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭strathspey


    Are you a RuZZian sympathiser? Just for the record, I hate RuZZians!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Actually I live beside the largest polish Ukraine border.

    All trucks transporting food, medical,fuel ,military and humanitarian aid is Actually fast tracked true daily

    None essential imports are restricted and quite a lot.ywo trucks every hour.

    To be honest the border dispute doesn't really affect military transport as most is transported by rail or the polish military.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Can we just pause a tick to acknowledge how you pulled out a post from 2006 - bloody héll. Sometimes it's easy to forget how old this site is, relative to much of the internet. Boards is contemporaneous to Google (ish), Facebook, or predates Twitter, YouTube, Instagram... anything Gen Z uses. It's kinda mad to think about and is a credit that for all the doom-mongering, here the site still exists, even if reduced from its height.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin




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  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Black seas blockade failed and hundreds of ships have moved cargo out of Ukraine earning them billions (in meantime Greek shippers all given up on Russia)

    Just like Putin’s war on Europe with gas has been a failure

    Also beside China paying a fraction of what others pay (article posted higher up) and not wanting to pay for pipelines

    Indian companies having massive trouble as Russians don’t want to accept rupees and wait for it want UAE dinars (which is pegged to dollar and defended by US Indian Ocean fleet)




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