Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You know well that for IDF prisoners they will seek the release of more Palestinians prisoners in return. That's the way it has always been in these exchanges . The only difference this time is that the ratio won't be as disapportionate as it was for Shalit's release and people like Sinwar won't be released as part of the exchange. Hamas will accept it as they are under pressure. That is why they were keen to extend the truce and will be keen to extend it again. The complication is some of the remaining hostages are held by Islamic Jihad.

I'd be wondering just what these 116 Palestinians were doing to get themselves arrested??? I doubt very much that Israel would be that stupid at this (especially the present time) to just go out on the streets and pick 116 Palestinians willy-nilly and imprison them. These 116 were (to my mind anyway) deliberately provoking the Israelis. to get exactly the reaction that seems to be happening.

Did you read it ?

Yes, apart from the 2 drones Germany leased from Israel been handed back to them, there's nothing in the article about military aid apart from medical aid.

Hilarious that you think the letter is

a) genuine

b) not propaganda

c) not written under duress

FFS, the state of that post.

Hamas the good guys all of a sudden.

Sure, Lord Haw-Haw had great things to say about the Nazi regime.

the future is anytime after (if) they release all hostages.

do you think Israel will succeed in destroying Hamas the day (if) they release the hostages?

The letter really touched a nerve with you guys.

Have you any evidence that the letter is not genuine, is propaganda, was written under duress? I'm sure given the hostage was released, they must have released a statement saying what you claim. Have you a link?

No one is saying Hamas are the good guys. That's the strawman the other posters tried to create and attack. Just that Israeli hostages seem to have been treated well while in captivity. Again, have you evidence to the contrary or are you just claiming so because you don't want to accept the fact.

Someone posted over the weekend that Hamas are the bad guys and that nothing and no one will make them change their mind in that respect. Which is fine, again, I'm not claiming they are the good guys.

But what all of you seem incapable of doing is accepting that Israel is a bad actor in this conversation. They have killed Palestinians at rate greater than 12:1 for every Israeli who has died, they have lied repeatedly with respect to their actions and the actions of civilians in Gaza, they have broken international law repeatedly, and they are actively carrying out a genocide. Too many on here refuse to acknowledge that fact but are instead steadfastly supporting their actions.

I'm commenting on the reality of the news that is emerging, you guys are stuck in a narrative from 7 weeks ago.

Its the mask slipping.

No question.

The poster is doing its level best to paint Hamas in the best possible light and the Israelis in the worst possible light.

The same Hamas who murdered families in their beds, burned people alive, tortured them and also attacked a rave for no reason other than to kill as many Jews as possible.

One thing that has shocked me about the Israel supporters on social media is that they are all cheering on the destruction of Gaza and the death of its civilians. All they ever say is 'Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, October 7th, October 7th, October 7th'. They know full well the country is being destroyed and a genocide is underway and are thrilled it is happening.

Nonsense post.

”all cheering”

”All they ever say is..”

”are thrilled…” etc

Life must be simple where you live. The situation is ever so slightly more nuanced than that.

I said previously that I think it probably means destroy Hamas in Gaza followed by removal of whoever else Israel can get to in the upper levels of Hamas wherever they are in the world.

What concerns me, assuming Hamas in Gaza is destroyed, is the next stage for Gaza. Given this whole situation occurred so quickly I’m not sure how prepared anyone really is for that. I’m not really sure, for example, that the UN could cope.

Just who is being provoked here is open to question. Some might say the Palestinians in the West Bank living with daily intimidation and harassment are the ones being provoked. Many of these people being siezed may well not be entirely innocent as you say. However as you know from your extensive travels people generally don't tend to throw flowers and recite poetry at those who they feel are oppressing them. It is inevitable some will seek to resist through violence means. Indeed we saw the same in the 1940s with the Jewish terrorists groups Irgun and Hagannah when they targeted the British.

I'm neither offended not appalled, but your post read like they should take hostages again. If I picked it up wrong, then I'm wrong.

But the question remains, what is to stop them doing the same again , kidnapping and murdering Israelis in return for prisoner releases?

And an independent organisation needs to decide which prisoners are being held without due cause. Neither Hamas nor Israel should get to decide that.