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Ajax wireless alarm system

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Ajax had announced a new line of wired systems to sync in with Hub 2 etc, called Fibra.


    I was looking / waiting to see hoe it would work for the keypad as I have a wire for a keypad. Probably just wire that to a panic alarm instead.

    Callous to talk about it with what's going on but hopefully they can keep going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Brianb8802


    I've just started wiring up an ajax multi transmitter today. My new build house was prewired so I picked up some HKC Slim Reed/Shock Sensors. I've already installed a Hub 2 and a few Ajax PIR cameras.

    It's my first attempt at wiring security system so it was baby steps today, first tracing all the wires with a multimeter and then doing up a sketch of how I wanted the zones, and just now did a test install in the attic with a few sort bits of cable and a few sensors. Below is what I've set up after some trial and error, I was fairly excited when it actually worked. Hopefully the sketch below can help any other newbies out there, I presume it's similar wiring for other systems.


    The X shows where I've just twisted two wires together in the housing of the sensor. The house is wired with 6 core cable, single cable for doors and loops for windows. But there are only 2 window loops downstairs and 1 window loop upstairs. I'd like to have a few more zones so when an alarm goes off I'll know which room it's in rather than which side of the house it's on. So I haven't wired the tampers and used those wires to get another zone on the same cable (Black and Red above).

    To get the Ajax system to recognise the sensors I had to change the device detector type from pulse to bistable. For the shocks to trigger I had to change the pulse time to 20msec, when set at 100 msec it wouldn't trigger. The reed was fine at 100msec.

    I'm going to start the proper wiring over weekend but just wondering if there is anything I'm missing or if I could be a bit more savy with how I'm doing things? Let me know what you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Brianb8802


    Oh yeah the sensors didn't come with screws, what type/size of screws do you generally use for the HKC Slim. Will a 16mm be ok for the sensor without going too far into the PVC frame and causing air tightness problems? I couldn't find a good fitting screw for the magnet though since it needs to be much longer.

    Do you generally drill a pilot hole before screwing on the sensor/magnet?

    I was thinking of just double sided taping the sensors and magnets onto the frames, any downfall in doing this?

    Post edited by Brianb8802 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭you2008


    Thanks Rob,

    just did a short calculation on both site, ~€280 cheaper go with Best alarm. ( all VAT incl without cost of shipping), are they 100% same products?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Anywhere to see recommended setup structure. With 4 external doors and several large windows (odd shaped house) I am have questions like should I have protectors on every door, or do people load up on motion detectors?


    house has an old system wired- with pretty much every window upstairs and downstairs covered. I’m thinking to ignore all that - but maybe I should be leveraging it?

    😎



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 exile07


    Hi, so I have the option of adding maco tronic sensors built into all the new windows and doors that I am getting. Does anyone have any experience of integrating these into the multi transmitter?

    Or maybe I should not go down this route and just keep everything wireless? The inbuilt sensors would be neater in my opinion. Its just the integration that I would not be confident in doing.

    I should add that the house is being completely gutted and renovated so wiring is not an issue.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Brianb8802


    I got an email from Ajax last week saying that there's a new multi transmitter coming out and it can connect to any wired detector with dry contacts.

    They have added 2EOL and 3EOL capabilities.

    It's on pre order at the moment but it's in mass production so it shouldn't be too long before it's available.

    Here's the blog post about it:

    https://ajax.systems/blog/multitransmitter-3eol-support-and-additional-alarm-types/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 exile07


    Oh interesting! Thanks



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myla Happy Marriage


    Any recommendations for doors/window sensors (wired) that'd be compatible with this? I know 'most are' - but am a bit lost on what to source.

    Think overall goal is to use all of the wired up spots in my house back to a multi transmitter, and then expand out anything else via AJAX's wireless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Brianb8802


    I went with the HKC Slim inc reed switch and didn't have any issues. I would have liked something a bit smaller but in the end they have all been installed behind the window blinds so I can't see them anyway. I've used the same on the doors. I got mine for about €14-15 from the local wholesaler.

    Also added two standard Ajax wireless motion detectors, two Ajax wireless motion detectors with cameras and two Ajax wireless door/window sensors.

    Very easy to set up, and wiring wasn't too bad after spending a bit of time figuring out how to do it.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 LighterThanAir


    I'm about to pull the trigger on the Ajax system and install it myself. I've been reading the threads and there's a lot of useful info here. However, I couldn't find an answer for a question I have.

    I want to install the external siren, I know it's battery powered, but I'm thinking to have it powered up, however I don't know how I would go about it. It's a new build, and it's not pre-wired. I have noticed that some houses on the development already has their bell boxes installed, and they're all located on the same place, so I wonder if there's a cable hidden under the facade or are those battery-powered too?

    Is the external siren weatherproof enough to sit in the front of the house? Anyone has done that and can share some details?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Can you post links or model numbers for the bits you intend to install?

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 LighterThanAir


    Looking at the following (Codes from megateh.eu as I can't post links):

    • Hub: 20294
    • DoorProtect: 9999
    • CombiProtect: 7170
    • Indoor Siren: 8697
    • Outdoor Siren: 7830

    Still working out the quantities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭ozmo


    That outdoor siren can take an external 12v supply. You have drill a small hole in the bracket for the wire - see end of this page for details:

    https://support.ajax.systems/en/manuals/streetsiren/?amp

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Id be surprised if there is a hidden wire if nothing else is wired (and even if it was wired).


    Should be easy enough keep the bell box tight to soffit and run power cable into house that way?

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Fishdoodle


    Most systems nowadays are wireless. I’d imagine the bell boxes you see are not wired. I set up an Ajax outdoor siren -about three years so far & still plenty of juice in the battery. I considered wiring it also , but the battery is doing fine. have had no issues…weatherproof …happy out 👍

    When setting up the options -you can turn off unessary beeps / led flashes on the siren (when you arm/disarm) …you don’t need that function and will have the battery last way longer 👍✨

    When fixing the (smaller square) plate to the wall I used rubber washers as a buffer between the concrete and plastic- peace of mind in case the plastic might crack when screwing the unit to the wall.

    En easy enough job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 LighterThanAir


    Yes, that was my thought. I ended up ringing one of the alarm system companies and the guy said that indeed they are dummy wireless boxes running on battery, none of those on new build houses would have a wired power supply as they simply don't do that anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 LighterThanAir


    Thanks, that's good feedback! I ended up buying the outdoor siren, as I understood is weatherproof, also good to have your experience as a confirmation.

    I'll keep that in mind when fixing mine, you're not the first person to say that the plates are quite “fragile”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭qwertz


    Hi! Purchased a property which came with an Ajax system. I contacted Home Secure and they aren't willing to give me access to it (replace account) or transfer ownership even though the previous owners would have paid for the managed service for several years. Did I end up with an alarm system that I can either replace or be forced to pay Home Secure a monthly fee? I simply want to run this via the Ajax app without any managed monitoring on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I'd call them again and negotiate a release fee... They'll let you have it, they probably want you to pay them... If that fails I'd get on to Ajax, because HomeSecure is a partner of theirs & it would be a good look for either of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭qwertz


    Thanks for your reply. Tried the Ajax route, they need an invoice from the original owners which is not available to us. Ajax actually just replied and recommended to replace the hub with a new one and then reconnect the sensors.

    I might try the release fee suggestion but the sales guy made it very clear that they don't hand over admin access. I do understand that it goes against their business model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    My contract is out with them shortly, I have an agreement since purchase to release the system back to me at the end of the contract period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭qwertz


    That was my understanding as well. I might try the release fee route or alternatively purchase a new hub which might be the lesser evil.

    Were/are you happy with the tech itself and the app?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Yeh happy out, but with HomeSecure, the app is largely locked down, so I'm looking forward to having more control over the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    never had an app issue with HomeSecure. But assumed they would release details after contract up?

    😎



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myla Happy Marriage


    Has anyone ever found this Fibra available anywhere? Or any way to get it installed?

    Have been ridiculously lazy and don't think I'm confident enough anymore to waste too much more time faffing - my house is already completely wired through for sensors - but have nothing set up. Ideally I'd find an installer in Dublin that would be able to source and install - but think only HomeSecure do Ajax and they only have he wireless available afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    So - you can try instead to look at the Multitransmitter and standard non Ajax contact sensors etc.


    So you'd get:

    Multitransmitter

    Hub

    Wireless devices

    Works well for me.


    Haven't seen Fibra anywhere.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myla Happy Marriage


    yeah aware of MultiTransmitter - all DIY though I believe as HomeSecure don't support it - or didn't last time I spoke to them - and don't want to double up on sensors.

    Might have to find an alternative wired system / installers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Yeah, it would be a case of buying the items all yourself.

    Not ideal as you can't be sure how to wire a sensor properly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Just wondering if you managed to wire the whole system? Would you have any pictures of how you wired the sensors and then also how you wired the zones into the multi transmitter? On my windows most of them have two wires but one or two of the windows only have one wire.

    It would be great to know if you followed a guide for tracing the wires and knowing which ones were looped. Would I be able to test that now with just the wires exposed and a multimeter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Repo101


    Do any companies in Ireland actually supply and fit Ajax systems? I want a mix of wired and wireless e.g. siren, windows, doors and motion detector are already wired. I want to add pir cameras, outdoor cameras and a DVR to the system, the cameras also being wireless.

    Everyone I spoke to is HKC and the one that did Ajax is wireless only.

    It's a new build for an elderly couple so nothing is installed so far.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myla Happy Marriage


    HomeSecure are the only irish company - https://www.homesecure.ie/

    And they are wireless only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Repo101


    Thanks, yes full wireless isn't of interest to me. I'm looking for wired for the main core of the alarm system e.g. sensors, siren etc. as I work abroad for weeks at a time and I have had issues with wireless systems in the past that were mostly an easy fix but not so for an elderly person who can't use a smartphone.

    Could anyone recommend the best Ajax set-up in my scenario? Cost isn't much of a factor and I will just buy the kit and pay a local PSA registered installer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    My monitoring contract has ended & I'll be able to manage the system myself (mid Oct.), I'm looking forward to taking control and being able to manage settings myself. I will say that the monitoring from Home Secure wasn't bad & offers some peace of mind.

    I'm considering adding a set of wireless/proximity access cards, & would need to upgrade to the Keypad Plus. I'm just wondering if anyone has or is using them and whether you find them worthwhile?

    I like the idea of using them to give to trades, or people who come in and out, without having to give them the code...





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    lol, have people given up on Ajax? Is there something better now? So quiet here...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    I have the keypad plus and I have the pass and the tag. They both work well and the pass obviously fits in a wallet and the tag is light on a set of keys.

    Personally I tend to use the remote or just the code. Either the pass or the tag would be better for someone who can’t remember a code for example.

    I’m pretty sure you can configure a temporary code in the app (or create a user for a generic person) and then give that code to the tradesman and activate/deactivate and change as needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,773 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Thats just Boards in general. It isn’t the hive of activity it once was.

    I'd say most people who want alarms have them or have enough details to get them so don't need to frequent this thread.

    There's a big announcement from Ajax later this week, so that might drive traffic about their new products (NVRs are rumoured).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,834 ✭✭✭✭altor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I've just placed an order with extradigital.eu with free delivery?!!

    I'm a bit worried that it's dodgy... But saving at least €30 of the order is decent. I was only ordering a couple of fobs.

    Rang HomeSecure this morning and waiting for them to hand over the operation of the app for me... Does anyone know how that is done? Do I get a code to upgrade my account to full admin or is it done on the back end?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    • & there you have it, I can confirm that after my three year contract, Home Secure have given me control of the app. I have to say, I was very happy with their service up to now & there is value in the monitoring!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Repo101


    Anyone know any Ajax installers in the Kildare area that will do a mix of wired and wireless? House is prewired so would like to use the wiring that is there and wireless for anything else.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myla Happy Marriage


    If you find them / anyone - please feed back. Would appreciate a wired installer - but don't believe I can find one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,773 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Some big announcements from Ajax today including cameras and NVRs. Might not be the best spec ever but integrates with the alarm system and isn't Chinese government supported (if that's a worry for you).



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭linthum


    hi homesecure currently offering 50% off their monthly memberhship at 17.50 for 6 months and regular 34.50 for rest of the months. you can own the system outright at end of the year. has anyone owned the system from homesecure? is it straight forward to use the app afterwards? like adding removing new sensors etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭rob w


    I have a self installed system, but if you have full access to the app once your contract is up with them then its easy to add new sensors etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    You have to add the new sensors through their system & I believe they charge about €5/month per additional sensor. The app is locked down until you've paid off the contract (usually 3 years), & you can't change perimeters to suit your needs. I found them good... the monitoring was grand, but actually got in the way a couple of times the alarm actually went off... stopped me checking cameras etc...

    I was happy with them, but also happy to take control of the system when the contract ended & change some settings to suit my needs and to add some accessories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Thats good info thanks - sounds good - but can anyone give a link to confirm for sure then if its 12 months you own the system or 3 years?

    Thats a difference in cost of either 312 or 1140(or more if they up prices halfway through) - cheers!


    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭linthum


    I was on call with them yesterday, their sales team sent a quote to me which has options to own the system outright

    Purchase price:

    1st year €400

    2nd year €200

    3rd year, you own it outright 



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭linthum


    when i was on phone with their sales team yesterday they mentioned the contract is for 12 months, 3 months is the notice period before 12 months contract ends to own the system for a price. did you have purchase the system after 1 year or 3 years. and may i know the monthly cost you're paying. i feel like 34.50 is bit steep side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I just signed up for three years and completed that. I was happy enough to go through them for the duration of the contract... The cost over three years was just above the cost of ordering the gear myself... plus they fit it.



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