Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Not quite accurate, plenty of 'white' immigrants share the same boat.

Wow its a lot worse than I had imagined. We really have no immigration control at all.

No need really.

Sure a lot of us here could set up one of those opinion polls, stack it with leading questions , ensure only certain people are polled and bingo, we'd have whatever answer we were looking for !

It's called confirmation bias .

Opinion polls are just that opinions , and don't necessarily translate to real life votes or directions .

It's the one thing any student of research is told first off.

If you want to be taken seriously it has to be backed up with scientific data and stand upto scrutiny from peers.

Hence why these " polls" are disregarded by most people . Just rough guides .

The best political and only poll that counts are elections .

It’s a different tune because there’s an election coming up. Once that’s over it’ll be back to the FFG old classic, “International Obligations”

" Its not as simple "...

This is where logical rational thinking is thrown out in favour of bias . No offence .

Those services were and have been rundown by successive governments for decades but it's now the fault of immigrants , no refugees , who are only recently arrived to our shores.

Sure those services are increasingly under pressure, but this is highlighting the issues, not causing it.

These are the issues people need to be protesting .

Yep , don't disagree with a lot you say about health service , except you say 'not far right ' ....But using language like " fakeugees " you lose that argument/ the audience except for those that respond to that language .

If people want to be taken seriously language like that needs to removed from the discussion.

Absolutely nothing to do with my post. Why are posters just ignoring what is written.

I never mentioned anything about developers and I most certainly didn't suggest anyone moving anywhere without services. In fact, I stated that necessary services should be put in place by government as they are a necessity.

I disagree with your last sentence. Insisting that election results are the only metric by which to judge these things is way out of whack. An electoral monopoly cannot be the sole basis for policy legitimacy.

Ignoring the issue has of now given us protests, a riot, and a huge mismatch between many ordinary people and Official Ireland.

Many ordinary supporters of FF, FG and SF would like to see immigration tightly restricted. The fact that they cannot, at the current time, create a fully-formed bloc that can contest and win elections does not mean that they don't exist. The smaller new parties that have popped up don't have the experience, the moderation or basic competence to represent people on this issue either.

It is an odd situation which has gone on for years and one which must eventually find some kind of resolution. A political re-alignment of some kind.

Can the leadership class of this country just stone-wall people from now until the end of time? They cannot, because institutions cannot be diametrically opposed to the population in a free country. Hence why FG are now, at the very least, trying to be seen to be taking these objections on board.

I think that they will have to .

@dmakc I agree . This is the Achilles heel alright.

And I think many others would agree deportations need to be strengthened especially for criminal behaviour.

However the assumption in that whole link is that those who are not deported actually do remain.

Many leave and go to other countries, or apply for leave to remain .

Why would those that remain stay indefinitely without housing or benefits ?

There are people who remain working in the black economy and these people are staying here , doing slave labour, living in terrible conditions and while not a burden to the state are involved in / ecploited by organised crime and criminal activity.

This is the fallout from unregulated deportation but is not unique to Ireland.

The polls are used to gauge the feelings and perception of the population on a certain topic, therefore the questions must be accessible to and answerable by "people on the street". People perceptions and opinion is what is being captured and the opinion is that they think there are too many peole coming in. To ask a person how many people should the country allow in on a yearly basis is so cumbersome it becomes unworkable for polling as it has so many caveats. How many refugees,? How many immigrants? Does it matter where from? Skilled or unskilled? What if they have a criminal record? What if it's for non violent crimes ? What if the law they broke isnt a law here ? What if they are beyond working age ? Whathif they are unable to work and require lkng term medical assistance ? etc, etc

These polls need to be kept simple to gauge sentiment and I believe they did that.

Can you link to a longitudinal social study that carried out by proper researchers that tells us if Irish people think too many people are being taken into the country ?

I think the 'Ireland has taken in too many Ukrainian refugees' question from Red C is very badly worded.....I might have answered 'yes' to it myself had I been polled. There's no nuance to it whatever : perhaps many people would have been okay with 50,000 but not 100,000? Maybe others wanted no Ukrainian refugees at all? Using vague and meaningless terms like 'too many' is practically inviting people to agree with the proposition.

So you believe in a person's right to immigrate, subject to immigration controls of different countries, yet seem to be totally open to mass immigration and bypassing said implemented immigration controls?

My gripes with polls tends to be who they've asked or how they've asked.

What they've asked to me in this case is fine. The answer to it is yes or no. Our government have currently got a no limit policy on Ukrainian refugees. The majority polled disagree with that policy.

Fairly clear cut if you ask me.

This is an opinion poll. So the accuracy you are looking for is not required here. Its simply a way to gauge the feelings of the electorate. You don't like the questions but I don't think they are flawed as they have served their purpose here. The results of these are not intended to be used in the formation of policy, simply to get the publics opinion on immigration currently to foster/add perspective to the national debate on this topic. From here more research can be done to get into the minutiae. I'm repeating myself I think