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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭AmpMan


    Sounds like the they dodged a bullet 😂.

    Why don't you do a diy install?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭elgicko


    In reading above, It would appear that some commentators are looking at the retail cost for providing the hardware only and then are in shock when a company add anything on top of that.

    There are so many overheads in solar installs which include:

    Labour - good luck finding roof installers and when you do, factor in pay, PRSI, pension, etc... it is expensive. Good luck finding an electrician on the SEAI list and when you do be prepared to pay them 80k.

    Cost of Van + running costs, ain't cheap....

    Public liability insurance, factor in working from height, premiums explode once this is mentioned.

    Doing it right involves scaffold, ropes, training, how many installers do you see doing this? This all costs a lot of money... You do know that if someone falls off your roof, you are liable!

    Also a house has to be at a certain electrical standard before it is suitable for solar. Then there are all the SAFE regs and SEAI requirements.

    Then there is getting jobs, surveys, etc... all costs money. Also warranties and callouts post installation need to be considered and added to operating costs.

    And then, shocker, a company would like to make a profit for all the work involved!

    In reference to the quote for 9.5k above, there is no context to the state of the existing electrical situation, is it up to code, consumer unit, tails etc? On the electrical front, outside of the solar hardware, just as an indication 9f additional costs, there are requirements for fireman switch, 4mm and 6mm insulated cable, trunking, RCDs, power meter, isolators etc... just to buy this hardware would cost between 300-500 depending on length of run. Then you have to get someone to install it all and certify it!

    The calculator from David Hunt does not factor any of above in, people need to get real here!! Doing business in Ireland is very expensive.

    To note I have no affiliation with any solar company, I am looking at getting it installed in my house and have done the research as to what it actually costs. My checklist includes, high-end hardware, reputable company, this means, will they do a safe job, scaffold, public liability insurance, ensure my existing electrics are up to code and are they likely to be around in a couple of years. To get someone like this and a job done to my standards costs money!



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The David hunt calculator does factor all that in, it's based on experience here over the last few years. It's just in a more convenient than trying to work it out ourselves

    If going on cost price alone + vat (0% vat on domestic installs) for all the hardware alone for a 8kwp last December was about 5k.

    Panels have got cheaper in the last year too, just looking now that each panel would be 60 cheaper for a more powerful panel(both longi, 375vs420). Take that reduction in 22 panels, that's about 1300 off the cost.

    A straight 8kw system, comes in on the calculation at 8k after grant (which is 10400 without the grant)

    Plenty of margin there. And we consider that good value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭elgicko


    I am not making excuses, just pointing out the cost of doing business in Ireland, as I operate in a different business with significant overheads. that cost has to be passed on, in order to make a profit. I agree some companies are completely taking the p*ss, buyer beware so do your research!!

    We are experiencing a gold rush in Ireland regarding solar at present. From my research and calling around for the best part of a year there are a lot of cowboys out there giving reputable companies a bad name.

    In regard your question above, don't know specifics but that would seem like price gouging for the 10k or cutting corners for the 7k or a combination of both.

    For example I got quoted 2k for a mounting rack and 500 for a mounting rack, thought I was being gouged. When I looked into it, they were different racks, one bring the premium SL Rack brand, hence the price differential.

    From talking to some companies I do get a sense of gouging as I have gained a lot of knowledge over the past year.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭AmpMan


    I just did a 8.kw system with 6kw inverter with all isolaters/firemans switch system on midsummer.

    comes in at 4100e ex vat (trade prices)

    Add say 200 for misc cable/trunking/glands etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭elgicko


    In my opinion it is misleading considering the cost of doing business in Ireland, for example an electrican will cost 80k+ now.

    In fairness David does point out "Note: Guide price only for standard installs.Does not include groundworks or extras like optimisers, etc"

    What hardware are you talking about, be specific, list it all out, including all additional equipment required. I use midsummer.ie.

    From my research panels have not dropped 60 in last year.

    I will agree that there are a lot.of individuals and companies out there who are using the grant and 0 VAT rate as additional profit, which is wrong.

    I am not defending anyone here, there are gougers out there, for which we all have no time for. I am merely pointing out the high cost of doing business in Ireland, especially when you have height and electricity in the mix!!

    I found this website good, before I educated myself on the whole process!

    https://www.solarcompare.ie/



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Cables, mounts, inverter, isolators (although no fireman) , all that was needed.

    It was for a steel roof though, so micro rails Vs full rails, straight inverter, not a hybrid.

    Longi panels cost me 140+ vat last year. Can pick 420w up now on midsummer for 82.

    It's up to the consumers to keep the competition keen, and for a smaller system to get to the 1k/kwp is unlikely due to fixed costs, on the bigger systems it's not impossible.

    What I am saying is that it's not impossible to get to the guidelines, you see quotes here that do get it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭AmpMan


    82 + vat

    I paid 94 + vat for them mid October.

    Its a joke that the 0% vat is'nt available for everyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,719 ✭✭✭deezell


    Are you saying €80k yearly wage? You'd wouldn't get that with Ph.D.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,055 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    im not sure what point you are making, most people with PHDs are academics or academically inclined, they dont tend to be the highest paid people around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭HotSwap


    What would you say is a fair price for the labour to install an 8 panel roof mount system? Just labour; nothing else.

    Maybe we can figure out if it’s a fair price using this approach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭AmpMan




  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭staples7


    17 x435watts Jinko

    Van der valk 

    5kw huawei  Inverter

    BEr included 

    6360 after grant 


    5kw huawei battery €9360

    10kw huawei Battery €11560


    Thoughts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭kris_2021


    one of the company I got qoute from told me that grants are going down next year and I should apply for SEI grant before 15 Dec?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Almost identical to my price, which is very good. I don't think you'll do better. My guess is that you are in Munster?



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DullSpark



    There are electricians making alot more then 80k and they are only employees.

    Solar companies are making obscene profits. Another few years and more companies will start up wanting their share of the pie and prices will have to come come down



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭staples7




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭Comer1




  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭HotSwap


    Good price; perfectly fair increments for all the options. I’d lock in the 10kWh option and don’t look back. Well done.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭staples7


    Was aiming for 15kwh, apparently there’s a new 7kwh huawei very close so might get 2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭HotSwap


    This one:


    Available Feb 2024. Definitely will be priced at a premium when it’s released. Part of the reason your getting a decent price on the 5kWh modules is the pending release of this.

    id lock in the 10kWh system now and assess your usage and need and add another 5kWh module later if needed.

    they will continue to sell the 5kWh modules after the 7kwh modules come to market.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭mathie


    Just had panels installed and yes the weather isn't great but ...

    In the MyEnergi app I notice that if I am getting 1.5 kW from the panels that my house usage goes to roughly 2kW.

    If it clouds over then the house usage seems to drop in line with the panels.

    So generating .5 kW and then the house usage drops to 1kW.

    The app is picking up on kettle being boiled so it seems accurate.

    I could be sitting here in the house with no-one else and see the usage rise and fall in line with what the panels are generating.

    Have I lost my mind?



  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭amorgan


    hi there. i'm hoping to get a solar array fitted on my SSE facing, mid terrace house. I'm told that because there are 2 velux windows, that the tiled roof area isn't plausible and that i can only get them on the flat roof extension. i've been quoted €4900 inc vat after grants for a 3.3Kw 6 x 550w array. they orignally quoted €5.9 for 8 x 550w but now say that won't fit.

    I've plugged this into the solar quote analyser and it says it's above the upper limit of the price guide. Does this sound particularly high? it was a quote with a "one stop shop" that contacted me through an energia.ie request form. i was hoping to get a larger array, but their remote survey claimed that 6 x 550w would be the maximum. the attached image is the roof from google maps. for size reference, it's an extended standard 70s dublin mid terrace.

    i've been reading the guides, but my knowledge base from this is fairly limited. any advice would be great!

    edit - i'm using approx 5000 units/year on a home with electric rads and immersion. is this the best kind of setup for me? any guidance there would also be very welcome

    Post edited by amorgan on


  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭aisling86


    I have just been quoted for Demin panels, this was the first time I had heard of them as all other quotes are for Jinko N.

    Any thoughts on these?

    We dont qualify grant & our usage is 12,000 a year - we have 1 EV, all companies have said we dont have a need for a battery due to high usage & EV to fill up.

    Quotes coming in so far - €13,400 (Huawei inverter, 16 panels), €12,100 (Sofar, 18 panels) & €11,000 (Huawei, 16 panels)

    Would love some advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,719 ✭✭✭deezell


    It's going out to the grid most likely. Does you app report feed to grid separately? It should know as it increases inverter voltage by a greater amount to push current down the grid, but it can only tell if its going either to local load or out through your meter by measuring the direction of of the current at the meter, which I think is done with a current sensor clamped on the live tail. Other wise it will record all power pushed out as local use, but your smart meter should record it as feed in, which is really feed out. If you have a smart meter, you can press the button and get a cumulative reading of reverse feed. If its the old type meter, the spinning watt meter will slow or reverse as panel output reaches and exceeds local use. You can afaik get FIT with non smart meters, or you could, based on a calculation of your system output, and your recorded usage, they'd come up with a flat rate for excess. I don't know if still is the case, but its in the ESBN literature.



  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    I am debating whether to get the hot water diverter and is it worth it. Would keep heating the hot water then ahead of exporting. Im just wondering are you wasting energy constantly heating water tank. Would it be better value just heat the water as needed and let it export. Itd be baths for kids and hot water for sink is all we need. Shower is electric. Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭DC999


    Yes re 'would it be better value just heat the water as needed and export excess'. Though some with water diverters here like the convienience of hot water on damage. But it won't pay for itself. Heat tank on cheap night rate if you have a smart meter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    12*430 JA Solar

    5kw Solis Inverter

    5kWh Dyness battery

    1 Eddi

    Quoted €10573 not including seai grant

    Opinions?

    Its an east facing end of terrace with roofs facing east west and south so if i want panels on all 3 id likely need optimisers. The calculator is suggesting its about 500 above the high end.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭staples7


    I know your still getting quotes but I think you'll get that under 9k with (no grant or Battery)



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