Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

In what way does Israel encourage or advocate aggression towards other countries or groups? (That's what warmongering means)

I was living in the US during and after 9/11. One moderate neighbour of mine (who also just happened to be Jewish) told me that in the days after she actually called the White House with a message for President Bush, that she wanted the US to Nuke Afghanistan and reduce it to a barren wasteland of nothingness and maybe later the US could build some golf courses there! She said that the WH telephonist actually laughed at this (whilst apologising for laughing).

However that sentiment was disturbingly indicative of a considerable proportion of Americans post 9/11 in that their primary demand was for revenge above all else. Over 20 years later they finally withdrew from Afghanistan without having defeated the Taliban and actually let the Taliban back into power by their departure. Israel could learn a lot from that. They might get revenge but they are unlikely to defeat Hamas militarily. Indeed they may well have sown the seeds by their actions in the past 8 weeks of a momentum that will see Islamic miltants overrun what is the entire territory of Israel within the next 20 years. That would be a huge tragic disaster and undoubtedly result in a massacre of holocaust proportions if it were to come to pass (and if it were to happen none of Europe wound be safe either) but much of it would be traceable back to Israel’s actions of the past 8 weeks. One reaps what they sow.

And doctors don't tell lies because they, like nurses, are healthcare professionals and so operate on a higher moral and ethic plain than the rest of us.

This is a bit different though. US cities and civilians weren't in rocket range of Afghanistan. The US could go home.

Where does Israel go home to?

Whether they like it or not, Israel and Palestinians are in it for the long haul.

You can just as easily make the case that if Israel showed weakness after October 7th, it would be seen as appeasement and lead to more attacks not just from Hamas but from other factions in the Middle East that hate Israel.

Can you imagine how much the Brits would hate us if we'd carried out atrocities like October 7th, by the armed faction of the regime in charge of the territory? If that armed faction wanted to extinguish Britain from the map, and was subjecting major British cities to rocket barrages on a scale not seen since the Blitz?

They would not be "good as a whole" would they?

Your comparison falls down on every level.

I would be agree regarding heavy ordinance but I put my hands up and say I have no idea of how to solve this conflict. I only call out what I think is wrong and I think counterproductive.

For me it's a sign of the pressure they(Hamas) are under. They are a spent force in northern Gaza.. They could be hoping that the longer the truce goes on the harder it is for Israel to resume the war. With this in mind the heads of Mossad and the CIA are in Qatar to discuss extending the truce

"Israel has treated the Palestinians like shlt since the 1940s. The conflict didn't start on October 7th, 2023. Atrocities like October 7th, 2023 do not happen in a vacuum."

Can you show where mutual abuse between the two communities in and since the 40s can not be characterized as 6 of one/half a dozen of the other?

Include the Arab neighbours in that if you think the mutual disrespect balance has been too lopsided within the boundaries of ,say Mandated Palestine and onwards.

I'd put that down to religious exceptionalism on both sides. Israelis generally, and successive Israeli governments in particular, have no regard for anyone who isn't Jewish. Non-Jews have scant rights under Israeli law and the Jewish faith considers gentiles to be 'half a person'. Muslims also consider non-believers to be kafirs and were happy to massacre non-believers en masse. We all know what Christians have done to infidels and heretics in the past, too.

Religions that claim they are the chosen people are going to be very disappointed come judgement day, having left a legacy of death, persecution, hatred and deceit behind them. So next time someone claims they know the will of God, go ahead and give them a wedgie.

UN security meeting on Palestine just starting.

I don't know what are the correct efforts to combat a group like Hamas but I do know that if your methods involve killing multiples of civilians for each militant then your methods are immoral. So I do know the difference between what is right and wrong morally. I'm not against Israel fighting and destroying Hamas.

"No one supports Hamas"

Was the bombing of Hiroshima wrong? It was necessary to bring an end to the war, it killed 70,000 civilians, with maybe a tiny fraction of military killed.

That is why we have international law and the rules of war to determine what is allowed.

That second one anyway is utter conjecture. I would counter that Irish people feel a kinship because they know what it's like to be forcibly removed from their land by force and then treated as second class citizens for generations while being gaslit by their oppressors.