Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

They get it at the moment regardless. You seem to be advocating going further than I would if you're suggesting cutting them off completely.

Personally, I would like to see a set amount cut for each offense/conviction.

Who?

You believe that anyone convicted of a crime should never collect social welfare in their life?

Sorry, was there a riot online? Must have missed that. I was of course referring to the riot in Dublin, which this legislation covers -

We do have this legislation (Prohibition of Incitement To Hatred Act, 1989) to cover the encouraging of hatred -

We have done this song and dance before, you were tripping over yourself before, so I am going to enjoy you doing it again. 😁

None of those pieces of legislation apply to anyone inciting anyone to violence.

Unless Frank Bulliet knows something noone else does!

No.

It's anti democratic to threaten to Kill the Taoiseach, it's anti democratic to threaten to Kill the President, It's anti democratic to abuse politicians, its anti democratic to call for politicians to be murdered with gallows.

The updates to the 1989 law are in line with international human rights laws including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrinination and the European Convention on Human Rights.

The law tries to get the balance right between human rights to freedom of expression and human rights to be safe and free from torture.

The right here in Europe to freedom of expression is qualified and always has been

If it's a fine then take that off dole at source, but if someone is actually assaulting people/arson/theft they should be in prison not getting X less of free money per week.

Agreed, I argued this in a similar topic before but I was stating that gardai should be allowed to enter any home or premises whenever they wanted and do a search, along with the abiliy to take people to stations for questioning without the constraints of justifiable cause we have at the minute. It would really allow us crack down on certain elements of society and really the only people who would have an issue with this would be those with something to hide.

I wasn't being literal, I was mocking the posters ridiculous point. Regardless, and I know posters like yourself like to play dumb to this, but it's very easy to tell the difference between an Irish person and a non Irish person, and I'm not even talking about racial differences, more so ethnic differences.

Leave it to their discretion however they want to do it. Same as they stop cars and check details.

It's really amazing how many people have blind faith in states, when states have don't very little to deserve it, and much to make us suspicious of anything they do.

That's actually quite a clever way of doing it. Many people in a confined space so it's much easier than stopping people on busy streets. Irish peoples phones can be checked for far right or unsavoury messages, memes or whatsapp groups/twitter profiles they follow and non Irish people could be checked for their immigration status, whether they have an active deportation order against them etc, etc.

Full length black leather jackets would complete the look. I really don't understand why people are getting upset about this. Sure there could be a case where a member of a Whatsapp group your in posts something on Twitter or Facebook that's mildly transphobic or sexist and they get arrested for it. Sure the guards might be examining their phone and find your in a group with them and they posted somethings offensive that you didn't agree with, you didn't share it or like it but that's not enough, your arrested also because the image is on your phone. The images don't need to be some off the wall racist or child abuse images, just one person being offended is enough under this legislation. The above has happened in the UK which doesn't even have legislation with close to the powers that are within the new Incitement to Hate legislation being proposed here.

Well I don't have specific ask in terms of what they wear but like me and @lmao10 were discussing yesterday whatever can be utilised to strike fear into whatever group in society we are targeting we'd be all for it. With some ambition who knows how far we can push this legislation.