Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You misunderstand. When Mandated Palestine was divided into Arab and Jewish States the Jews in the Arab part had to leave as too.

Between 1948 and 1970 approximately 900,000 Jews were expelled from or fled Muslim majority countries in Asia and Africa. Most of them resettled in Israel.

Do you think the absence of a Bond Villain type Layer means that there was no command centre there? You do know that computers and guns and all that stuff can be carried, right?

That would mean kinship with Jews though, wouldn't it? They were gassed rather than gaslit by their oppressors though.

Do you have any clue about the use of tunnels in warfare? How they are defended, how they are attacked?

And according to CNN and the USA and Israel and Hamas themselves... but I'm sure you're right, whatever it is you're actually saying.

What do you think the IDF are doing in Gaza if they aren't looing for tunnels and Hamas infrastructure. Have aa good think about that now.

But, every Easter the Irish were reminded how awful the Jews were. Wasn't till John Paul II put a stop to the official RCC blessing of that nonsense.

Old habits die hard, Jews are the villains in the fundamental event of Christianity as chronicled by the RCC (and others.) It's easy to develop 'kinship' with people perceived to be oppressed by a group you're taught from birth to hate.

Irish have no special victimhood when it comes to being expelled. Every religious group has been expelled - Jews, Catholics by Protestants, Protestants by Catholic, Hindus by Moslems, Moslems by Hindus, and on and on. But, in Ireland, we're 'one with Palestine' but not one with, say, Moslems in India or Hindus in Pakistan, even Afghans in Pakistan.

Because we're taught to hate Jews.

So there are tunnels under the hospital? Weren't you telling us 100 pages ago that there wasn't because the doctors said so?

It is not a good lesson though I think to deal with any conflict, people would not advocate a destruction of a city in most modern wars. Time has moved on from the 1940s.

If a war is just a war then why do people judge Russians for their actions more than say Israels. We do that because there are expectations on how wars are fought.

Just go back to the start of this thread to see posts supporting Hamas from October 7th? It's not that hard

Nice attempt at history, but a lot of info/context missing. By 1900 the population was about 500,000 Arab and 22,000 Jews in the area that was Palestine. The Zionist movement had already been established by 1900 with the aim of creating a Jewish state in that area and they encouraged Jew to emigrate to that area. What evidence is there that the population increase was down to Zionist money? Regardless, by the time the British mandate was introduced, Jews still made up less than 10% of the population.

During WW1 the British made promises to 3 different groups based on the fall of the Ottoman empire, 1. They promised the Arabs an independent state of their own. 2. They signed the Sykes-Picot agreement with the French to carve up the Arab lands between themselves. 3 They introduced the Balfour declaration which promised the Zionists their own state in the area. As can be seen, these promises were contradictory and not realistic.

Much of the post WW1 peace treaty was about self-determination and the rights of ethnic/national groups to form their own countries....as long as they did not interfere with British/French or Italian interests too much. So in Europe, we seen the creation of countries that never existed before like Czechslovakia/Yugoslavia and the re-emergence of countries that had not existed for over 100 years, Poland/Lithuania etc. As part of this nation building, there was a commission of enquiry into the claims for a new state with representatives sent to establish the potential of any new state, this was led by Woodrow Wilson, the US President who was kind of a referee between all the major nations, Britain, France, Italy.

During the discussions at the conference, the British were bullish about having Palestine as a mandate as Balfour had promised it to the Zionists. The following extract is take from a book Paris 1919, by Margaret MacMillan about the Paris Peace conference.

"And Zionism" said Balfour "be it right or wrong, good or bad is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs or in future hopes of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit the land"

Wilson nevertheless insisted that his Commission of Inquiry into the Middle-East include Palestine. The two American Commissioners, reported back at the end of the summer of 1919 that the Arabs in Palestine were "emphatically" against the entire Zionist program and recommended that the Peace conference limit Jewish immigration and give up the idea of making Palestine a Jewish homeland. Nobody paid the slightest attention.

During the Paris Peace conference, Faisal who represented the Arabs was under the impression that any independent Arab state would consist of modern day Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, but due to the self-interests of the British/French and the Sykes-Picot agreement, no independent state was forthcoming with the French being given the mandate for Syria/Lebanon with Faisal as nominal king of Syria and the British convinced him to give up any claim on Palestine which they had ear-marked for the Zionists. So off the 3 agreements made during the war, the only one not kept was that to the Arabs. Britain/France put their own interests ahead of the Arabs.

Jewish emigration to Palestine continued as promised under the British mandate until the point that conflicts broke out, and then the British realising the problems they had created tried to stop Jewish arrivals in Palestine and were reluctant to see the creation of Israel at the end of the mandate as they knew it would be a mess. The UN went ahead and recognised Israel despite every other country in the region being opposed with the Palestinian Arabs again having no input and here we are still wondering how this is still a mess.

Yawn, been there, done that, plenty of times, see my much much earlier posts on this thread.