So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

It's just the usual bunch of true believers who dwell in a perpetual story generator, that no matter what the outcome there will always be a reason for aliens. Need better evidence, give us more money. No proof, then the government is hiding it. There is no drip, drip; just more recycling. Say hello to the new fuzzy photos, same as the old fuzzy photos.

As I've said before the conspiracy is that the conclusive evidence is being concealed.

To be honest I'm not sure there is a conclusive photo or video anymore that wont be branded a hoax, blurry or in 4k

The problem that modern skeptics overlook is that people even in ancient times reported seeing strange objects in the sky, not a new phenomenon created by TV or media. The phenomenon of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) has been documented throughout history, with accounts dating back centuries and longer

In ancient times, people witnessed and recorded sightings of objects that defied explanation. These reports often mentioned strange lights in the sky, objects that moved rapidly and silently, and even encounters with beings that were described as non-human.

One of the most intriguing examples of ancient UFO sightings comes from cave paintings. These paintings, which are estimated to be thousands of years old, depict entities that resemble the modern notion of grey aliens in UFO lore.

The release of this new information from Reporters is fascinating, as it sheds light on a previously little-known group within the CIA. This revelation raises intriguing questions about the source of their information, as it appears that people must have provided them with the necessary details.It does seem as though there is a growing trend for individuals to leak UFO information to the press.

Personally, the Grusch information revealing that Pentagon ATTIP UFO program tried to take Lockheed Martin's UFO from them and wanted to give it to someone else, but the CIA intervened and said no, was a significant revelation to make to the public. This revelation should astound and captivate the world public, as it suggests that a private company possesses an alien spacecraft and is keeping it hidden from the rest of the world.

Grusch's claims and the absence of a public denial from Lockheed Martin is very interesting. Grusch is not just a ordinary guy making claims; on the contrary, he was a highly influential figure in the Pentagon and had extensive contact with members of Congress.

I agree with the summaries provided with dohnjoe and silliussoddius.

I also agree that there other ways of bilking money out of the US government. However being a UFO proponent is a much safer and easier way to do it it seems.

Unlike overbudgeting a defense program or similar they don't need to produce things that might actually function. Such a thing requires a lot of money and expertise.

It also bares highlighting, like the others said that UFO belief is quite popular, so to be seen I'm agreement with it is a good way to generate voter support for yourself. And you're unlikely to get much push back or negative consequences from the government since there isn't really anything to uncover.

UAPs may not be from one source.

We have no idea of the variation in source or type of craft, there could be multiple races/AI's or other.

In that situation the craft could be different, the intentions could be different, the desire to hide from us could be different, whether they can cloak could be different.

With regards to unreliablity I've repeateatedly said this is unknowable unless you know the frequency of visitation which no one does, moreover some craft may be akin to unmanned probes which are probably more disposable.

But ALL of this is pure conjecture and it would therefore be impossible to say "they should all do this" or base any opinion on feature sets all of the craft should have in general, to do so would just be akin to wild guessing.

Yep in many ways you are correct.

But think about this. Until this year AGI , Artificial General Intelligence, was always a few years away, nobody could prove that it could be created. Decades and decades it went on like this .

AND now it's here, just this year basically and now moving at an incredible rate. And you get folks saying sure we knew it was possible. But they didn't 'really' know.

And with the proof of artificial intelligence it increases the odds of alien intelligence being distributed widely tremendously.

Eventually we will get proof of aliens. I'm pretty sure of it. Here， there when or where, I don't know, but I'm convinced that they are out there because to think otherwise is preposterous.

With regards to the UAP footage that you see around, and in some cases from reputable sources..

As a person without one iota of a scientific background, I can only form an opinion on what I see.

The 'fuzzy object(s)' travel at speeds beyond our capabilities, the abrupt stop and turn maneuvers are uncompared to anything we know.

To me, the phenomenon captured on tape appears to be pulsating..? What does that mean? Is it a biological entity? Is the pulsating effect caused by velocity? Maybe a distortion of the surrounding atmosphere?

I don't think the 'object(s)' are of a solid mass.... More like a ball of concentrated energy?

You see the phenomenon separating and then re-forming again - That's not a solid object, that's like the bubbles in your tea when you stir it quickly, the bubbles separate before contracting back together again (crappy example I know...)

Keeping in mind my non science background.. I believe light is the fastest known method of travel. So would it not make sense, that maybe an advanced civilization could send light particles to survey the Cosmos? These bundles of concentrated energy would have a short life span, gather whatever information they were looking for - chemical elements, temperature, atmospherical content etc... Resend the information back and basically dissolve into nothing.

We send tin cans with wheels to explore our nearest Planets, surely an advanced race would have progressed beyond that. The known Universe that we can see, shows no signs of life. If Planet hopping was so easy to the advanced races (if they exist), they would surely have left many relics throughout the observable galaxy that we would have seen?

Are the UAP's just balls of energy dissipatating at speed? Maybe that have no pre-planned path, and just burn out in the atmosphere when their energy is spent?

I find the subject interesting, but lean towards an electrical anomaly at the moment. You see forked lightening zig-zagging in a split second, is this a similar event that somehow manages to retain it's energy for an extended length of time?

If you believe in evolution, we used to be slime clinging to rocks by the sea... Later to evolve to Astronauts walking on the Moon...

Moon walking to light beings in no more amazing than slime evolving to building rockets..

I don't think your suggestion is very realistic. It depends on a very sci fi notion of how light and energy work rather than a physics notion.

For example, there isn't really "concentrated energy" in physics as in blobs of energy that just fly around. When you see a fork of lightning, or a spark from an electric shock, what you're seeing isn't "energy" it's plasma. It's physical air molecules that have been heated up enough to become plasma and then emit light. The actual energy is what heats up the molecules and then gets emitted as light.

So if the aliens could send a blob of concentrated energy or light in a manner different from say just shooting a laser or flashlight it would still run into some issues. If this probe was to send data back to it source somehow, it would need some method of doing that. If it just arrived, gathered data, then fizzled out, then there's no way for it to get the data back. The only way for it to send the data back would be as light or some kind of energy blob. And that kind of return journey would require the same kinda method and power it required to make the outward journey in the first place.

If all this probe is collecting is "chemical elements, temperature, atmospheric content etc... ", then it's also being very inefficient as we, as lowly humans are able to collect this kind of data from far off planets now, in half the time it would take a probe like this to do so.

Astronomers are able to use spectroscopy to determine this kind of stuff. And since they are using light that's already made the trip once, it's much quicker than sending out something at light speed and waiting for it to come back at light speed.

Aliens, if they have the ability to control light to a degree that they're able to make probes out of it somehow would also be able to use spectroscopy to a much better level than we can.

There are of course ways for aliens with advanced technologies could get around problems like the above, but if you are positing those, you can also posit that they might be able to get around the problems of their light probes being visible. Or posit that they have an even better method of observing from afar.

Also, this the issue that this explanation doesn't really fit with the claims being made by the believers in UAPs. Such as the UAPs seeming to react in real time to things. This wouldn't be possible in your idea as the aliens are restricted to light speed, and wouldn't be able to control the probe.

Or more importantly to the claims about the physical craft and wreckage being recovered.

"TLDR, there's no credible evidence of dramatic info being concealed,

Physical evidence in terms of hardware I agree.

Physical evidence in terms of Stuff like the tik tok...we know they did conceal it. Radar and infra red and visual is physical evidence too.

It's utter drivel like this which gives UFO chasers a bad name.

David Grush a man at the center of UAP investigation swore under oath that he believes there is better evidence and its being concealed. The inspector general found his complaint "urgent and credible".

Karl Nell, the recently retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force said of Grush : "His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence,” link

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet: "Congress is slowly realizing is that they can't exercise the necessary oversight to make the best decisions because the information is being blatantly withheld from them. Zoom out and look at the bigger disclosure picture this is what we're encountering and talking about we are encountering again off-world non-human uh entities and however they're able to be here whatever they're operating vehicles or what and that is just the story of the 21st century" link

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), along with a bipartisan group of five other senators, introduced extraordinary legislation on July 13, suggesting that the U.S. government or private contractors may secretly possess recovered UFOs and “biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence.”According to the legislation, “non-human intelligence” is defined as “any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform, regardless of nature or ultimate origin which may be presumed responsible for” UFOs. link

All of the above statements are fact where people have gone on the record.

What exactly in your mind is credible evidence of info being concealed.

Let's break this down.

Grusch swore under oath he believes the stories he was told by other people. I believe he believes them. Completely meaningless without credible evidence.

"I believe in Grusch". Great, meaningless without credible evidence.

Rhetoric, zero evidence.

He's a politician who simply thinks "large amount of blurry footage and claims = there must be something to this". Volume doesn't mean anything. Multiple politicians fell for the most hilarious fakes in Mexico.

Consensus among whistle-blowers and leaks.

Grusch states X, the head of AARO contradicts it. Grusch states 40 people have evidence, 30 of them are interviewed, none have direct evidence.

This isn't new, this has been going on for 70 years. Never once has a single claim from any of these people been verified. When you have 1 million cases of this type of BS, you think that's evidence it must be true?

On the contrary, it demonstrates the opposite.

Pyramid/triangle ones? It's the type of lens used

Sorry are you saying concesus from whistleblowers and leaks is credible evidence ?

Please be explicit on what exactly is credible evidence. Something that is not ambiguos .. ie is 99% concensus ok?