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Season 14; Russell T Davies Returns

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,766 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Not great, not terrible.

    The Moopsy, I mean Meep, was fairly obvious early on.

    Thought the actor playing Rose wasn't great but may get better.

    Think the whole gender thing was done fairly cringe and could have been done much more naturally into the story.

    Whole thing of female doctor form knowing more than male doctor form doesn't make sense to me.

    Great to see Tennant back, Still have great hair.

    The bug alien things looked a bit like stuff from 2005, thought they looked very cheap.

    Rocket wheelchair could be handy for someone who parks on the path and you cannot pass.

    Donna is same old Donna great seeing her back.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,037 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I just took the "male Timelord" thing as Donna/Tate not wanting to pass up an opportunity to slag him off about the gender transition thing rather than it being actually pivotal to figuring out how not to die from the metacrisis energy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I took it to mean that a man would never consider that their offspring form a connection with them and hence, can share the metacrisis etc.

    Two major flaws with that. Firstly, Donna didn't figure it out. The Doctor did and he is a bloke. Secondly, Rose isn't a woman. She identifies as non-binary in the episode. She isn't male or female.

    The gender stuff was as subtle as a hammer but it was great to have a normal Dr Who story with an arc that isn't overtly complicated and will have a resolution as opposed to Chibnall and Moffat. I can see why they want to have a non-binary role model, I just hope they incorporate that thread into the stories a bit better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    William Hartnell Sees the Fifteenth Doctor | An Adventure in Space and Time | Doctor Who

    It was also clip with Mat Smith for 50th.

    https://youtu.be/6Zz2vc5ia98?list=PLKEzuOOEQvYPu4b62pPiuMJ4A5-zR2mrm&t=71

    Quote from another video

    when this was first broadcast in 2013, Mark Gatiss said that they'd update the scene in future repeats to feature the latest Doctor.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,037 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    When are we getting the Hayden Christensen cut?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    If he has that gravitas and screen presence in the show then I will be looking forward to watching it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Stark When are we getting the Hayden Christensen cut?

    Mixing up franchises? Why would Ankin be Doctor Who? :-)



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    OK that couple of seconds look fairly confident and solid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    From what's reported, by the time Ncuti's first "seasons 1" episode airs he will have in fact filmed 2 seasons (his first season wrapped in July) and his original deal is believed to be only two seasons.

    That means for the first time in history of Doctor Who an actor may have filmed his regeneration scene before their first season hit television screens.

    He is in the Christmas special this year of course. So he will have had air time. But interestingly enough they are filming Christmas 2024 special episode at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,037 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Hmm, I'm sure if he had filmed a regeneration scene, the identity of the new actor would have leaked by now? I hope things are left open ended enough for now that there's room for him to film a third season if the reaction to him is positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I very much assume the contract is for two full seasons plus the regeneration scene. Not one season and one scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Erm... I said be was filming his second season now. Well before his first has aired. Sorry, don't know what you mean by that.

    Regenerations are a funny thing on the show. Jodie filmed her regeneration scene a year in advance before David Tenant came back. They just spliced together the footage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I get what you mean now, apologies.

    Yeah, unlikely but possible of course. I think we would have heard if that was the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I wouldnt be surprised to see him do another season, he'll likely negotiate for a better deal when his initial episodes are airing.

    That said you just don't know. Maybe it's a 2 season and done type of deal. BBC wouldn't announce his departure before his episodes aired.

    There was some backlash about how Christopher Eccesholson (spelling?) And his departure got leaked and people weren't happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    The 14th doctor had some comic book adventures before meeting Donna, which are summarized in the above link.

    Never knew the above was a thing, crossover between the shows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I have a feeling these Toymaker episodes could be total classics.

    Neil Harris is a great choice to play him.

    And Tennant is just a fantastic Doctor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    YESSSSSS

    That made my day seeing Wilf again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    That was a great fun episode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    • David Tennant called this special "unlike any Doctor Who episode ever", referring to the specials as a whole as "Russell [T Davies] off the leash".[5]

    "Mavity"

    This episode was dedicated to the memory of Bernard Cribbins, who passed away over a year before transmission.

    Thought it was an okay episode, if not a bit repetitive in nature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I enjoyed it myself. Thought last week's was probably a tad bit better but return the form.

    I started watching Doctor Who in 2013 going through the reboot episodes from 2005 and the last two episodes in my opinion, have been the best since Tenant and RTD left.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    That was one of the best episodes I have seen in years, great acting the whole way through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,324 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    So the superstition thing messed things up? can't all be about "mavity".

    Wasn't it established in a previous episode that the Doctor can make the TARDIS materialise using the key?

    Strange they had the TARDIS change for no reason and then have it explode.

    Really good episode.

    Thought they were going the route of what may or may not have happened with the professor in Sliders. Except maybe Donna gets saved somehow and they meet in the next episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    You could see the Disney money with the special effects in that episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,037 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Thought they were going the route of what may or may not have happened with the professor in Sliders. Except maybe Donna gets saved somehow and they meet in the next episode.

    I was thinking about Arturo in Sliders as well.

    An okay episode. Started out promising with the anticipation buildup around the Tardis pulling a legger (I can see why the Doctor disabled that "feature"!) and no sonic screwdriver either. But the copycat thing was dragged out and it was a concept done a million times before.

    Tennant is really doing the heavy lifting for the writing. And a good job he's doing too. Love how he's incorporating not just the 10th Doctor but the experiences of 11, 12 and 13 as well to bring a more mature version of his previous character.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,324 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Had to Google what Wild Blue Yonder was then it left me wondering what it had to do with the episode and why would Donna's teacher get them to sing an American Air Force song?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I haven't enjoyed the show this much in years. Neither episode so far are brilliant but they're a lot more fun than Chin's era.

    RTD, who has clearly acknowledged the Flux and Timeless child plots, might at least use it to play to his writing strengths which is with characters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    Gatwa had the distinction of being the very first black actor to spearhead the series in the titular role, .... He is also the first openly queer actor to play an on-screen version of the Doctor[9], as well as the first actor born after the end of the show's original tenure to play the role.

    Hope we don't have people screaming woke over a queer doctor (/lead), remember John Barrowman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,324 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Sure wasn't Jodie's Doctor implied to be gay with Yaz?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,037 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Funnily enough I don't remember much of people screaming over John Barrowman though that was nearly 20 years ago so those people wouldn't have had as much reach.

    The Ninth Doctor was implied to be a bit bi if I remember correctly. Not sure what was up with Ten, he was in love with Rose but it looks like only the half-human version of himself got to consummate things. I reckon Amy had an affair with Eleven and he blamed the time vortex for her producing a Time Lord child 🙂

    In the last episode we had Fourteen realising he still carried some latent feelings for the male sex following his stint as a woman.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Stark I don't remember much of people screaming over John Barrowman

    I can't remember it either, I was just trying to say the franchise has a history been inclusive? (if the correct word).

    And 'Torchwood' was more of an ensemble cast.

    Gatwa got some flak when his role was announced.

    The Celestial Toymaker: Animated Teaser | Doctor Who




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Doctor Who’ Gets More Than 100 Complaints Over “Inappropriate” Transgender Character

    The BBC received more than 100 complaints from Doctor Who viewers who argued that the inclusion of Yasmin Finney‘s transgender character Rose was “inappropriate.”


    The corporation has revealed it had 144 messages from disgruntled viewers in its fortnightly report on audience complaints. Some said Heartstopper star Finney’s character was “anti-male,” while others said it was an “inappropriate inclusion of [a] transgender character.”.......





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Sounds more like 144 people didn't like a trans person being on tv - such a non story and I have my own opinions about some so called trans people

    Wait til the new gay Doctor starts, society will crumble



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    @fritzelly Wait til the new gay Doctor starts, society will crumble

    Wait till you find out who is in the cast for xmas special:-

    🔷 LIVE: 1 Hour of Regeneration | Doctor Who


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So now we have Regenerated Tennant, Parallel Universe Tennant & Split Tennant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Didn't see that regeneration coming. Well kept under wraps.

    But allows Tenant to easily come back and do the odd Christmas special or what have you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    Looks like they where right! :-)

    Bernard Cribbins was originally intended to appear in this episode as Wilfred Mott. However, his health prevented him from doing so, making the previous episode his final acting performance prior to his death. Wilfred still appears briefly in the episode, through use of a stand-in actor and archive audio.

    From the notes, looks like they cut them scenes completely from the episode? Shooting Moles instead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Harris was great in that, and it looks like we will see him back in the future.

    As I said, following on from Tennant will be a challenge, but from what I saw at the end, the future looks promising.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭solidasarock


    They should do a Children in Need mini episode where the now 3 different David Tennant doctors bumble around for 10 minutes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Daleks have easy access to the Tardis now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Whilst that was a great fun episode not sure about the bi-regeneration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Thought that was pretty good. Neil Patrick Harris was excellent. A shame if he never returns.

    New guy looks alright. His accent was a bit thick at sometimes but I’m sure I’ll get used to it.

    Bigeneration thing was a load of nonsense. Was it really explained?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,037 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Told you guys not to underestimate RTD's self indulgence. If you told me the 15th Doctor would regenerate into Tennant again at the end of his term, I'd find it believable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,259 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Can't say I'm keen on that one. I mean, what happens now when the Tennant doctor dies? Does he start another round of regenerations?

    Also continuity issue. Shouldn't he have forgotten about Clara? And what about Yasmin, Ryan, Graham and that character John Bishop played? How come the Toy Maker didn't mention them? Or Nardol for that matter?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    They didn't "die" like Amy et al, they just went home thus limiting their potential to hit 14 in the guilts.

    12 met an avatar of Clara during 'Twice Upon a Time' and stated he now remembered her somehow.

    Love Tennant as much as the next guy, but can't help but feel this is yet another example of his Doctor serving to overshadow his successor somewhat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,259 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I see a theory online, and it works for me, this bi-Doctor will indeed keep regenerating but only into previous incarnations as older selves, eventually becoming The Curator.



  • Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭solidasarock


    14 regenerating again seems like a total "we will cross that bridge when we get there" problem. Thats future RTD / whoever might be in charges problem to solve.

    I can see it for what it is. David Tennant is really popular in the wider audience. Doctor Who is getting a bunch of money pumped into it from Disney and as part of that I can see why the powers that be want to make the most popular doctor of the modern era available again for future stories without the usual multi doctor episode weirdness. The lore / story implications are tomorrows problem to solve.

    There are rumors of a new 14th doctor mini series and I suspect the only reason there wasn't a official announcement is to not completely overshadow Ncuti Gatwa's introduction. Which I think kinda happened anyway. Felt like David was till leading the charge after the regen when they probably should have made a better effort to put Gatwa in charge of the situation after that point. Could have said 14 was still hurt from the ray gun or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭corkie


    @flazio I also like the theory of the 14th becoming The Curator (Tom Baker)

    Legacy

    The Curator's prediction to the Eleventh Doctor that they might end up revisiting a few old faces in the years to come would come true when the Thirteenth Doctor regenerated into an incarnation that resembled a slightly older version of the Tenth Doctor. (TV: The Power of the Doctor)

    Have we seen the setup of a 'UNIT' spinoff with 14th, Donna & Family?

    Disney's Season 1 of the show with the split new doctor makes sense now.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I know I'm probably a bit Lady Doth Protesting Too Much but have been keeping an eye on clips, official or otherwise, to see if maybe this has been worth a return.

    The regeneration? Yeah was already on the way out but I'm twice as done now. Davies straight out the gate still having the SciFi nous of a 10 year old; was sick of his style the first time around but the pulling apart gag a new zenith for his nonsense. They could have done clones, transporter duplicates or alternate timelines - but chose a pantomime routine instead. Ye gods. While I'm not sold on Gatwa at all, or that trailer for the Xmas story. It has regressed back to the zany, childishness of yore.

    I have wondered do we know the demographics of those watching; do kids still watch Dr Who?

    Ah well, it was a good run. Wonder is it common for mods to be done with the subject they moderate 😂

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