Gardai now best paid workers in the state - CSO

Yet schools can't recruit or retain teachers - in Dublin in particular but not just in Dublin.

Im not even talking about teachers. Im talking about every worker.

You are obsessed with teachers yourself. That is obvious.

At any one time, it takes average, 5 garda to fill a position

3 by 8 hour shifts

1 on holiday

1 sick

So if the head count is 15,000, thats 3,000 at work at any time.

While they talk about understaffing, the overtime is the flip side of that coin

I find it hard to get an exact picture of who is emigrating at the moment but I suspect it's younger educated people. The types that would typically be applying for these jobs.

Rents are really expensive and maybe they think they'll never own a house here.

I don't think paying teachers more is the answer as it'll just lead to higher rent and house prices. The answer, ten years ago, was to increase construction output. The answer now is the same, just much more difficult, and I still don't see it being done to any great effect.

indeed..and the reverse is also true

if the people taking a cut think its such a bed of roses why don't they just go and do the job.....they might find out its not nearly as comfortable as they think

It is perfectly valid to have the opinion that a particular job/task is overpaid without you being willing to leave your own to do it.

The same argument is often put forward for dole etc. It's a non-sequitur

There might not be as many vacancies if there wasn't the same culture of pulling the ladder up to protect those in the system already at the expense of those who are trying to get their foot on the ladder.

I know someone who had to work for a good few years as a "substitute" teacher to fill in for a teacher who went on a 5 year "career break" - when everyone knew the previous teacher was really giving up but wanted to keep their options open. I think that after whatever number of years, they got some vague form of contract out of it.

Don't ask me how it works, but I was told that for the first year or two, the previous teacher came back and did one day before the Summer so that they would get paid over the Summer. Maybe it was a different status to career break at the start. The teachers on here probably know all the tricks or names.The person I know wasn't getting holiday pay for the first few years because they were technically subbing (or however it is structured).

If its perfectly valid to hold that opinion ...without actually doing the job...its also perfectly valid in response to anecdotal shite starting with "I know a"....or half truth and opinion etc etc....and then the other problem with some of these posters is they think a stat tells the whole story.

Anyway it's perfectly valid to question why the person with the opinion isn't doing the job if they think it's so wonderful? ......I don't think you fully grasp the meaning of the term non-sequitur if I'm understanding its definition correctly....

I mean if something is so cushy and overpaid why complain about it, why not do it...seems like a more logical thing to do to me

I think people constantly taking a cut want it every way.

The answer seems obvious to me, if they think it's so fantastic they should try do it and see if they still feel that way.

Something tells me their tune would change fairly lively.

Grass is always greener, I tend to think they are just lashing out because of their own inadequacies or bad decision making or self loathing.....seems a lot of people need people or a group to try and blame their own problems on

The only Gardai I've seen in the city centre since the riots (and I've seen more in the last 2 weeks than I have in the last year!) have not been fun Pearse Street or Store Street. They're being shipped in wholesale from other divisions, which were already short staffed.

Done for optics, and completely unsustainable in the medium to long run.

What happened to all the city centre policing that was meant to follow the attack on Stephen Termini, and make the city safe (even safer) for us all??

And that just shows your comical ignorance of how the job works these days in reality.

Job security was a big thing 40 years ago, but in the modern environment there are many sectors where jobs are not hard to come by and there really isn't an enormous benefit being in the PS.

Non - sequitur = a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

A person essentially states a job is cushy, has over generous renumeration etc etc

Why would it not logically follow to wonder why that person isn't doing the job or actively pursuing it if they think it's so good? Instead of just selectively quoting what suits their arguments and getting all worked up into a tizzy when anyone points out there may be more to it/ignoring counterpoints

Seems very logical to me......

If you met several people constantly going on about how wonderful something/anything was....but never bothering to achieve/acquire it then wouldn't it be entirely logical to wonder why not?.....unless of course said people have a chip on their shoulder or an axe to grind

As for the 500 quid a week for two hours work 4 days a week......yes I probably would do it....I wouldn't even have to give up what I do atm.....send me on an application😅

Clearly though Id need to know more details about the work than the hours and the pay.....unlike some people I wouldn't assume that's all there is to it.

Why would I give up what I currently do when I wouldn't have to?

It's 2 hours a day 4 days a week...also I said there's more to a job than pay and hours......I'd need a lot more details to make a decision on any job

What am I not understanding about the below?

Non sequitur = a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

What is not logical about wondering why several people who think something is so amazing aren't doing it or pursuing it? I can't see how my statement wouldn't logically follow the others...

I think your dole example may be more like a non-sequitur however....as dole isn't a job.....to most people..although I do concede that some people approach it as if it was one😅....I'd wager the reason you wouldn't want to claim dole is you know its not just about the money right?.....so therefore maybe other things need to be considered? Hmmm...

Btw I didnt avoid giving answers or shifting goalposts, read my reply again....I think you are the one who likes moving goalposts tbh

You are following your "logic" such as it is ......and putting words in my mouth

I didn't need it explained it was 2 hours a day, 4 days a week??..I clearly said that in my first response to your hypothetical scenario🤔....hence why I wouldn't need to leave anything I do at the moment to take up the role....and I would take it up if it was on offer ... why wouldn't I, its an extra 500 a week on top of what I'm doing at the moment for what appears to be a very doable investment of my time..that's not shifting any goal posts.....you asked me would I leave my current occupations to do it...I explained I wouldn't even need to and could still do it ...so why would I leave what I do?

You were the one who erected the goal posts in any event...I think your miffed you might have scored an own goal in them or they were a bit wonky to begin with.....

Anyway you claimed what I said was a non-sequitur......think you could explain how without some odd dole example or hypothetical scenarios? I'd imagine that shouldn't be too taxing for a master logician such as yourself?

Fair enough...I thought as much tbh.

82K a year ?? Wouldn't get out of bed for that Francis.