So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

If there's an "alien spacecraft" apparently sitting in a warehouse for decades, and some individuals say it's there but they can never provide evidence for it, and other people refute that, including whistle-blowers who have no reason to do so - it's not there.

This isn't something recent. It's three quarters of a century of people claiming the US govt is hiding something and those people being unable to produce, each time, a single piece of credible evidence to support that.

Is there credible evidence the US govt is hiding "alien spaceships"? None

Is there credible evidence that certain people believe the US govt is hiding "alien spaceships"? Plenty

Basic consensus. And also proper specifics.

If the e.g. Irish government captured an "alien spaceship", and secretly managed to bundle it into a warehouse somewhere, and "keep it secret", countless numbers of people would know. The people who found it, those who moved it, those who have looked at it, those who have studied it, those who have had to guard it - over decades.

A whole bunch of people would easily be able to come forward saying the same thing, with the same specifics

"But they'd be killed off". They wouldn't. It's not the movies or sci-fi or Stalinist North Korea.

We never get anything approaching that consensus or specifics. We only ever get one or two individuals at a time trickling out with wishy-washy hearsay, vague second-hand stories and no evidence. All from the same feedback loop.

I believe Grusch is a victim of believing "stories" and is of questionable mental health. He doesn't come across as credible in the slightest (that this stuff exists and/or that proper evidence is being concealed)

If however, multiple credible people came forward with a specific claim, e.g. an arm of the government is concealing an "alien spaceship" in a warehouse at e.g. X address in Austin Texas, with specific corroborated details, then we are getting somewhere.

I think the problem with modern UFOology is the hymn sheet, same stories getting passed along with no evidence. One of the stories Grusch passed along was "Mussolini's UFO", if this is the caliber of the stuff he is being fed, you have to admit that the sources don't seem very credible.

In my opinion David Grusch is at the end of a long line of whistleblowers, experts, military, witnesses and experiencers who have spoken out about what they saw/experienced, when they knew that if they mentioned it would ruin their careers or worse. Most had/have nothing to gain and a reputation to lose. Time will tell if they are all fools/victims or vindicated.

I'm also curious of the stance on Gruashs support about the Italian UFO recovered with the help of the Vatican.

People arguing that he's a credible source don't seem to want to acknowledge this claim. I suspect it's because they understand that story is a bit silly and undermines his credibility.

We also have to remember that one of the witness during the hearing who actually gave testimony under oath was a fellow who reported a very well known UFO encounter. He was asked directly if he experienced any push back or harassment as a result. He directly stated that he didn't.

It's very strange that the people behind the cover up would just miss this guy by accident.

And it can't be that he's lying or mistaken under oath.

I think Grusch believes whats he says.

I believe he is correct that information on UAP is being concealed.

I also think that Grusch's substantive claims ( most your big long list - some of which he did not answer directly under oath - referred to a SKIF) could be true. Time will tell.

And notice the complete lack of an answer about whether he believes the stuff Gruash says.

I think it's clear that Gruash is only credible in that he's the one who talked in the hearing. But to maintain this illusion proponents have to ignore and avoid the stuff he actually claims, because it shows that he isn't very credible at all.

But if there's a cover up, then it doesn't make any sense for them to have cleared anything. Unless of course everything he said wasn't actually true and not actually sensitive or classified in the first place.

Also it's a bit strange to accuse a person of being involved in a conspiracy purely because of a claimed financial motive. But then on the other hand completely ignore the potential motives of the UFO crowd who make a very comfortable living for themselves.

What's not strange is to point out that there's not much behind the UFO thing, and also to oppose it. If there's nothing behind it then it's all a massive waste of time and taxpayer money. I think it's pretty clear, given how poor Gruash's credibility and fact checking ability is, that it is a bit of a farce.

Good Post ,emo72

There truly is no justification for members of the U.S. Congress to oppose the Schumer amendment regarding UFOs. It is true that a series of intriguing events involving individuals in the government, who simultaneously claim one person (Grusch) has lied and lacks knowledge while also actively lobbying to change a bill that would give the United States government control over any non-human technology that the private sector may have,

There is actually a cover-up taking place, and it is evident that these individuals do not care about the truth. What matters more to them is money and power. The truth has become secondary, if not completely disregarded.

The gatekeepers holding this technology are not going to give it up easily. Once the floodgates are opened, a whole lot of other bad things may come out, including murder. Who knows what else bad could be revealed? Additionally, releasing the names of individuals who have kept this technology a secret over the years will be a massive event in itself. Never mind the revelation that the aliens are here.

I hope we at least get some worldwide type of disclosure event of something; it least then "nobody can keep a secret this massive hidden, can be put to rest. Keeping this secret under wraps would have been harder than keeping the 9/11 or JFK truths hidden.

Given the lucrative job of working on nonhuman technology, a comfortable lifestyle probably well paid, this status, and the opportunity to put their children through college, a whistleblower might have had significant incentives to stay silent about their involvement in UFO crash retrieval programs prior to 2017.

While the majority of the media pre 2017 may have previously dismissed such claims as mere conspiracy theories, recent shifts in societal perceptions and a growing acceptance of UFO theories have created a more receptive audience.

One notable example of this shift is the increasing number of individuals who have come forward to discuss their involvement in secret UFO programs 40 in total so far. according to Grusch and others. Previously, such individuals may have been hesitant to disclose their involvement due to fear of repercussions ( military jail isn't nice) or disbelief. However, with the change in thinking, these individuals are now feeling more confident in sharing their experiences and knowledge. At least with the DOD IG.

The media is no longer dismissing or laughing at the notion of little green men, as it once was. Instead, there is a growing interest and willingness to explore the possibilities surrounding extraterrestrial life. Furthermore, even members of Congress are beginning to take the topic of extraterrestrial intelligence more seriously. In the past, it may have been seen as a topic that belonged in the realm of science fiction or conspiracy theories.

Prior to 2017, congressional members were not aware of the existence of secret UFO programs at the Pentagon. While it is hard to speculate on the specific figures of people working and seeing this UFO technology in person, i guess that number will come out eventually. It involves careful consideration though of the potential impact on national security, legal considerations, and the need to protect sensitive personal information. Therefore, it is often a slow and deliberate process, making it difficult to provide precise estimates or timelines when more can be shared. You dont believe it, but more will come out, too many people are involved now to close the door.

I thought he worked for Robert Bigelow at some over priced real estate. On the plus side, he got to see a Dino-Beaver.