What is being done to address the M50 problem?

nothing is going to be done. ever. there is no planning or thinking outside the box and for that matter no thinking inside the box either.

no driver education to stop the crashes every morning and evening. same spots crashes like clockwork everyday.

no 24 public transport to offer an alternaitve. no public transport that goes across the city rather than in straight line into dublin. not everyone who lives around the city works in the city center.

Public transport, car pooling, hybrid working grants... basically anything to avoid building the DOOR which was pushed back beyond 2035 now.

The idea you can solve traffic with more traffic (more roads) is what's flawed. That thinking is what you got where we are today.

The future of Dublin is London or LA. Go drive there and see if you think it can be fixed with more cars.

The problem is you're all trying to do the same journey at the same time, using the same form of transport. If you want innovation and solutions you need to change that mindset.

Nothing wrong with Building another orbital motorway but it will be full within 5 to 10 years. You'll be right back here again.

No one's stopping you from sitting for hours on the M50 like lemmings. If that's working for you, keep doing it.

If people keep choosing a commute that's faster using a car, they will keep using a car. Granted a lot of it is unavoidable, I'm not blaming people for it, but that's what's happening.

If you were in London you'd be factoring public transport in your location and job choices far more than we do in Dublin. We don't have that mindset.

Yeah, housing crisis, Yadda Yadda I know.

It took decades to get into this situation. There are no quick fixes.

I avoid the M50 at peak. That's my solution.

Sounds like a government more interested in votes than progress

That does nothing for traffic in Dublin. It would be or some benefit for the small amount of **long-distance** traffic that currently prefers to use the M50.

The M50 has been a public transport failure. From the road opened there should have been buses on it so that it you live in Clondalkin and get a job in Sandyford then you have the option of an effective bus from day one. This could have been combined with park and ride so that you could park on the other side of the city and take the bus over the toll bridge. None of this happened, many people work along the M50 but public transport largely ignores them or takes a multiple of the travel time.

Combine that with the ridiculous efforts to inhibit travel by any route other than the M50 and you have the chaos we now have.

Why on earth would we want to get to 10m?

The intention of Bus Connects is to improve our bus transit system and increase ridership. This will absolutely alleviate traffic congestion.

I've no idea if they've been successful in their objective.

1) I'm not sure about an outer motorway but it's been suggested before.

2) Agree 100% about underground Metro. Should be planning a second line already. My suggestion is Tallaght to Poolbeg Peninsula, but maybe to Clongriffin is better. I'm not sure.

3) I don't use the quays but I imagine the buses are gridlocked regardless of bikes.

It's a complex problem overall.

Really the only solution is a proper Metro which will take decades at best.

The Eastern Bypass if it went underground might still be good idea, even though I know it's been mothballed.

It's difficult to know without data.

I'm sure they could model this, which would be interesting.

I used to think an outer orbital motorway was needed. These days I think it obviously still useful but I don't think it's going to have much impact on the M50.

We've made the country even more Dublin centric. Same with all cities. Sure urbanisation is world wide, but we've accelerated that in Ireland.

The sprawl is very much a result of successive govt economic policies. Also planning policies both urban and rural.

It wouldn't matter.

More capacity = more cars will use it.

Dublin needs proper transport, but not government will plan more than 5 years in the future.

Have a look here and see how many transport plans were proposed and cancelled by successive governments

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_21

Personally, I reckon that the M50 is always going to be a mess in the absence of an underground system being delivered. Out of curiosity, are there any doodles that someone has put together to show what an actual underground in Dublin might look like? And twas an awful pity the Brits didn't leave one behind and, given how important Dublin was in the British empire at the start of the 20th century, I've often wondered how close they came to building one.

Edit: looks like it was discussed here before!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057593181/were-the-brits-planning-a-dublin-underground/p2

Another disaster of a decision was the cross city Luas not going underground. So typical of our ability to get things wrong. In fact, the green Luas should have gone underground right after the Charlemont stop by design day one, so that it would have been easy to convert to full metro as it should have been the old Harcourt line plus underground.

"smaller buses" - the main cost of running a bus service is staff. Substantial standardisation keeps bus operating costs low. Running smaller buses doesn't save a huge amount of buses. The risk is that you would then complain that the buses are too small. :)

If Bus Connects objective is to get people out of cars, they're kind of failing here:

“The changes to the service are extremely negatively impactful for not only me but other IADT students who rely on the bus service as the only transport provided to our areas. I’ll have to get three buses each way now. That’s six buses a day!,” Ms Doyle added.

“I currently don’t drive. I have my lessons completed and plan on trying to get a test as soon as possible,” she added.

Buses will change nothing.

Like the cities you quoted, we need an underground system or go home.