Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

But why would Hamas sue for peace when Israel have declared no quarter will be given?

Israel have pretty much boxed Hamas into fighting till the last fighter.

Just who are the people in Gaza supposed to tell about the tunnels etc... phone the IDF hotline from your phone with no battery and no phone signal anyway. Do they try approach the IDF on the Frontline and hope they don't shoot first ask questions later? I'm sure the IDF wouldn't detain said person and interrogate them, think they are Hamas, illegally detain them in prison. The IDF would never do that right?

Children grabbed by the IDF are beaten -

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• During arrest, 42% of children suffered

injuries, including gunshot wounds

and broken bones. A range of other

injuries were reported, from shoulder

dislocation, to bruising, to suffocation.

• 65% of children were arrested during

the night, mostly between midnight and

dawn.

• The majority of children experienced

appalling levels of physical and emotional

abuse, including being beaten (86%),

being threatened with harm (70%), and

hit with sticks or guns (60%)

https://resourcecentre.savethechildren.net/pdf/INJUSTICE-Palestinian-childrens-experience-of-the-Israeli-military-detention-system-SC-July-2023.pdf/

The Gazans are between a rock and a hard place, between those who are willing to sacrifice their lives and those willing to kill them and their kids and others in their community in the thousands.

The Gazans will want revenge on the Israelis for these killings so are hardly likely to get rid of hamas, an organisation who will actually seek to get revenge.

The problem with your hypothesis is the Palestinians never think they have lost that is why they keep fighting.

Interesting article from the New York Times, if the link doesn’t work (subscribers) you can read it from twitter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html?smid=url-share

More evidence that Israel has no interest in peace.

Israel is a genocidal rogue state.

It was very sad to see the Israeli who helped at the bus stop get executed by the IDF

There is a strong suspicion that some journalists have been deliberately assassinated by the regime : the death toll of journalists has surely been way too high to be accidental (perhaps Israel attempting to control the media narrative in the region). By contrast, only ten journalists or photographers have been killed in the Russo-Ukrainian conflict in nearly two years of war.

Yet hamas are the ones who broke the ceasefire early by firing rockets into Israel arent they? If they wanted peace they could have just not done that? But they don't want peace, they say they don't. They said "the carnage in Gaza is needed". But yeah, it's all Israels fault 🙄

Easy to agree to things you know have no chance of happening

I'd say the families of the various people shot and killed by IDF soldiers during the ceasefire would beg to differ, wouldn't you? Some of these included children under the age of ten, and a boy outside an Israeli detention center having gone there to welcome a family member who was being released as part of the hostage swaps.

Or would you not think that the taking of 160 Palestinians by Israel during the ceasefire would have constituted breaking it no?

Once again both sides violated the truce.

Also Bibi was just as keen as Hamas to continue the war. Regev indirectly admitted it in an interview, and Bibi himself has stated it publicly that the war would start again in order to try and complete his goal. I get you are pro Israeli but let's not distort the facts of the situation because it suits your position.

Former ICC Chief prosecutor

The act of shooting civilians by IDF soldiers in Gaza absolutely violated the terms of the ceasefire. Or if you think not, you should ask why would such a term not have been included. Who would have rejected it.

Ceasefire negotiators offered solution options to both sides in the early days of the war. Hamas accepted 3 of the options, Israel accepted none.

You're pushing a narrative that Hamas is the sole opposition to peace when Israel time and time again has rejected choosing that option and is responsible for the vast amount of deaths in the conflict. For the gazillionth time, I'm not saying Hamas are innocent, but they are at this point most influential in being used by Israel to justify the killing of what is now eight thousand children in less than 8 weeks. Eight thousand!!!

We've now seen in our own lifetimes how what happened in Nazi Germany happened. Millions of people who buy in to the narrative pushed by the oppressor to justify the oppression and butchering of an entire group of people. Each of us only know ourselves exactly our own position on this matter, and the justification for it. But as billions of people judged Nazi's and the people of Germany for the actions of the Nazi party during WW2, so too are billions of people judging those tacitly or outwardly encouraging Israel to do what it is doing. And that includes everyone from Israeli media, to Israeli's who are having watch parties cheering on the bombs hitting Gaza, to Piers Morgan, to EU and UK politicians, to Joe Biden and the rest of the craven political group in the US who has allowed itself to be co-opted by AIPAC and the likes.

A well known Jewish lawyer in the UK makes the interesting point today that the British right wing press (Andrew Neil etc) claiming that the interests of Jewish people and Israel are the exact same thing and that anyone who criticises Israel is therefore anti-Semitic, is actually extremely dangerous stuff. It means thus that all Jewish people can be directly linked to the numerous war crimes of the regime and held responsible for them - leaving them wide open in fact to anti-Semitic attacks and criticism, rather than protecting them from it.

He points out too that many of these right wing British rags are traditionally no friends of Jewish people and are merely being highly opportunistic.