Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Which version? The Israeli version.... Well here's a visual aid:

Pretty self explanatory there. It's even colour coded.

The Palestinian version, I've already posted a comment earlier with a link to a guardian article with various meanings of it.

Austrian police took a similar stance, banning a pro-Palestine protest on the basis of the chant and claiming that the slogan, originally formulated by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), had been adopted by the armed group Hamas.

German authorities declared the slogan forbidden and indictable.

As the slogan is now taken by Hamas to mean: 'Kill all the Jews in Israel' (is that just for starters?), why were so many people in Dublin today screaming a slogan that is widely understood to mean: Kill all Jews?

You know it is taken to mean this, so why do you want to be seen saying (screaming, roaring) such hatred?

How do you feel inside when you say it? Some of you looked very angry today. I can still see the angry girl with the loudspeaker screaming her hatred in Dublin. I feel like you are making Dublin, and the world, a worse place.

Would you not rather make the world a better place? One with less hatred? It really is the very last thing we need more of right now.

I'll try again: I don't want people cheering genocide living in the same country as I do, I care about this way more than I care about what happens in the middle east, simply because these people are a threat to us and to our society. No one is doing anything to them here, but jews are again, almost 100 years later, felling unsafe in Europe.

The outrage over the 'From the River to the Sea' phrase is gaslighting on an international level.

The same phrase is used in Likuds founding manifesto but there is no suggestion of that being inappropriate by the people using it to justify the butcher of Palestinians. This despite it going on to say that in that area there would 'only be Israeli sovereignty'.

A genocide is being carried out in front of our eyes. Israel is now bombing in to oblivion the area they told people to move to for the last 6 weeks.

I feel such disgust for the people who are ok with this and I can't describe what I think of those who encourage it.

I've given detailed solutions that if they were adopted by all groups could lead to peace, I've posted it several times so saying people never come up with solutions is just plain false. These solutions included the targeting and removal of Hamas.

Israel is supported by the US, and several of the other most powerful and influential countries on the planet, they are at no risk of being annihilated.

This conflict was facilitated by Nethanyahu's desire to see Hamas enabled and emboldened as Israel continued to persecute Palestinians, steal their lands and ignore any sort of international condemnation for their actions.

They are doing nothing at this point but recruiting for future waves of Hamas fighters with every child they now shoot in the head and every Dr and journalist they drop a bomb on. And all while genocide apologists say that Hamas is the problem. We're watching Israel put the support and security of Jewish people worldwide at risk for the next 10-20 years and everyone who is supporting their disproportionate violence is complicit in this. Everyone.

Do you honestly believe if Israel stopped fighting/bombing Gaza for say a week, a month that Israel would be overrun by 50k Hamas charging into Tel Aviv slaughtering people?

All Israel have to do is defend their border and Hamas are not going to be pulling another 7 Oct again. Israel is not under an imminent threat from Hamas. I'm baffled how you think Israel could be annihilated by Hamas. Is that the justification you use when you see the thousand of dead children in Gaza, Israel had to do that because any second Hamas is going to annihilate Israel.

It's like a mad panic to level Gaza ASAP. Dropping 2000lb bombs as fast as they can reload the jets. Even the Americans were surprised that 90% of the bombs dropped the first week were 2000lb, they have smaller ones which are more suitable to reduce collateral damage. Assuming Israel were looking to reduce colleratal damage.

Don't get me wrong Hamas has to go, there's zero chance of peace in Gaza or Israel with Hamas still in the picture. But a calmer, more clinical way of eliminating Hamas has to be key. Leveling an apartment block killing 100 civilians to kill 1 Hamas fighter is not the bloody way to do it.

Hamas is the excuse.

Genocide is the goal.

Israel has no interest in peace, only the redundancy of the 2 state conversation through the obliteration of the Palestinian people.

As has been pointed out to you before, it was the Zionists wish to go and create a state in that part of the world with full knowledge that everyone there was opposed to the creation of such a state. As was discussed in the last few days, the great powers of the time simply ignored the recommendations of a Commission of Enquiry in 1919 that suggested that the idea of a Zionist state in the region was a non-runner. Everyone in that region was always opposed for obvious reasons, but it was western powers who pushed it through. The Zionists were fighting with the locals long before the creation of Israel and knew they would have to fight for their existence from day 1. Pretending this was some completely unexpected or unjust thing for Israel is just silly. Ultimately it was their choice.

Do you have an issue with Muslim countries?

Everyone in the region? Including those that sold their lands and properties to Jewish people?

Jewish people have lived in the middle East and North Africa for thousands of years. Until the other countries expelled them to Israel.

Everyone in that region was always opposed for obvious reasons, 

What do you mean by this? What obvious reasons?

Did someone suggest they are?

There will be no international peacekeepers put in Gaza.

Ridiculous stuff. "From the River to the Sea" as promulgated by Hamas and their apologists is genocidal. Pretending it is something else is completely disingenuous.

If you want an idea of what would happen were Hamas to succeed, take a look at Sudan.

"What he feared then would occur, has occurred and is continuing, he said.

"That is the mass killing of non-Arab civilians in Darfur. Nobody cares," he added."

The ideology of Hamas, of some Arab states, of some Muslim countries includes the elimination or enslavement of others. Not just Sudan, just look at places like Dubai, built on the enslavement of ordinary people from places like Bangladesh.

If that isn't enough for you, consider the approach to women and LGBTQ+.