Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The problem is hamas will never choose peace. Ever. They keep saying this over and over, I don't why you aren't listening to them.

You are a million miles away now from what you originally started with.

A ceasefire that isnt a ceasefire.

The Allies didnt and couldnt just end the war by taking out the Nazi leadership. It did not work out that way did it? They had to fight to Berlin. So your own example already discredits your own idea.

You were the one who used vague phrases like army like any other yet cant provide any actual examples and now shift the goalposts in time - yet still referenced Hitler when it suited you.

Why hasnt Russia declared a ceasefire and ended the Ukraine war by targeting Ukrainian leadership with drones and special forces?

Why have conventional forces at all if wars can be fought this way by an "army like any other" so easily?

You dont have to explain things in 'minute' detail. Your solution fails at the first hurdles - nevermind minute details it is devoid of any detail.

Zero attempt to understand that Hamas has agency and isnt going to passively allow itself to be targeted by Israel et al. Zero attempt to explain how Palestinians just hold these elections and remove Hamas.

Those arent minute details. Those are deal breakers.

It is not any solution just a list of fantasy aspirations.

There's no doubt a few in Hamas leadership who feel that way. The same exists in Israeli leadership with a view towards Palestine, and they say it just as loudly. Why don't you listen to them? But only one side has an army, a navy, an airforce, of the most renowned intelligence agencies in the world and billions of dollars annually from the US.

And we've seen extreme radicals in the IRA, FARC, ETA bring their use of violence to an end. The vast majority of people in Palestine, including those who make up the numbers of Hamas want nothing more than peace and security in which to live their lives.

Hamas crept in to power in 2006, they can be sidelined again if the will was there. But I've already shown how Nethanyahu didn't want that.

Unfortunately I have no idea. My advice on military or anti terrorism tactics would be useless. But even with a cursory knowledge of any of the anti colonist wars in Africa or Asia it is obvious that political objectives can't be won on the battlefield especially if it involves large numbers of civilian death. Hamas may disappear but those that follow them may be even worse.

The longer this operation continues the more damage it does to Israel.

Lol. There's a hell of a lot of evidence to suggest the Western Prism is thinking you can bomb your way to a desired solution. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq are things you might consider when you are accusing people of being blinkered.

Do you believe they are still willing to support a 2 state solution now? Looks like they are actively destroying Gaza and reclaiming the West Bank now. Talk of a 'security buffer' for Gaza post war. Probably just a new term for a land grab.

I honestly wouldn't know, but I could understand why they wouldn't, after 50 off years of agreeing to solutions and still being attacked by those that don't agree. What can they do?

I don't blame the Palestinians for Hamas, the voting population in 2004 or 2005 or whenever, yes.

I understand they haven't had the option since, I also understand that any civilian that stands against them, or even seems to be opposed to them, are under serious risk. It's impossible for people in that situation. But then, what is the answer? It's obviously better for Gazan civilians to be free of Hamas, have a leadership that doesn't treat them as human shields and pawns in their game.

When it comes to Netanyahu, he has always put himself out there as the man to defend Israel against their neighbours who are out to destroy them. I'm no fan of his, but I can understand their mindset, that they believe in someone who says they will keep them safe. I'm sure there are many many Israelis that don't want him there. I spoke with an Israeli woman this time last year, or thereabouts, wherever he came back into power, and she was disgusted.

But they are all stuck with the leadership they haven't the moment, unless someone comes along that can solve it.

You can’t!

as with many conflicts, ideological conflicts cannot be won. It takes years, negotiations, give and take on both sides, until understanding occurs. Bombing people into submission, creates stronger ideological followers.

Israel cannot win this conflict ultimately. I’m not anti-Israel contrary to your previous statement. Israel are its people. I am anti-Israel policy in relation to the abuse of Palestinians within its borders. The Israeli government is condoning abuse of individuals. Paying vigilantes (Jewish) to steal land with IDF backing. That is not right in ANY civilised country.

There are many great Jewish people across the world who agree with me on this, yes I know others disagree.

israel has a right to defend itself but it does NOT have a right to cause genocide, to keep people in a massive concentration camps.

You cannot use the excuse that warning civilians warns Hamas. The onus is on Israel to preserve life and protect civilians. It's only under imminent danger where civilian casualties are accepted. Like bombing a refugee camp to take out a Hamas bunker.... the bunker was not an imminent threat to Israel. The weren't loading missiles into a launcher that Israel had to take out in a split second decision to prevent the loss of innocent Israeli lives etc...

Do you honestly believe civilian losses are as small as possible? Considering Israel has start of the art weapon systems?

Do you think Israel have minimized civilian causalities as best they can?

Are you deliberately ignoring all the settlements built in the West bank? They are even planning on adding to these settlements now, This makes a two state solution a distant reality. I dont think when two peoples are fighting over the same land that it is honest to claim only one side has made this problem.