Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So the settlements in the West Bank, they protect Israel against which neighbors?

The more they expand the land, the closer they get to neighboring borders.

Think Russia attacking Ukraine because of the risk of NATO, if they had taken Ukraine, they would have an additional 4 NATO countries boarding mainland Russia. So occupy land to protect yourself by getting closer to your enemy? WTF kinda logic is that?

And building settlements on the area (not a neutral or buffer zone) places your own citizens closer to your neighbours.

It's madness to use that as an excuse, do you not agree?

What's next, take Jordan and Iraq and then complain that Iran is their neighbour?

Oh we better attack Iran to protect us now.

Well, that poll that was posted here says Palestinians largely favor Hamas, so they want them to succeed.

Recall that after the last election in Gaza, Hamas murdered their opponents in the PA that won seats. No one protected those PA politicians in Gaza, either. So there was very strong support for Hamas then, and today, in Gaza and in the minds of Palestinians.

If you've read Hamas' charter, they don't want to live a life that's safe and free. Much like your average Russian citizen, the Gazans are content to be human shields or become martyrs for their cause of killing all Jews worldwide.

They tried and failed - which proves my point. You are 2 for 2 in examples of why it is very easy to write... target the leadership but in practice, the examples show it doesn't work out that way in practice - otherwise countries could just get rid of conventional forces. Of course they don't.

You said an army like any other, you didn't say must be modern, but when I provide a modern example you still want to try to point score off 1940 references?

When your own posts contradict (Israel to declare a ceasefire and keep attacking!) and undermine your own argument, there's no need for me to add more at this point.

You shared your concept, posters can see what you've outlined and my critique of it.

You consider 6000 children killed a small loss? I'm absolutely baffled at that.

Even the Americans are telling Israel to be more careful. They are hardly saying that if no other army would have been as careful.

The battle for Mosul had an even higher population density than the Gaza strip but the civilian death toll was 11000 over 9 months. Israel managed that figure in a month.

You can judge members of Hamas by the fact that they murdered, tortured raped, burnt, and beheaded people. Nothing to do with the "environment in which it exists" surely?

Well they were being used as human shields by ISIS. Over the course of the 9 months a million were evacuated. Even at that, it would be the same population density as in Gaza right now. So the excuse that the high civilian death toll is due to the population density is ridiculous when compared to the battle of Mosul. Brutal terrorists, human shields, same population density, same western weapons being used. It's not like Israeli smart bombs are less smart than the Americans etc...

There's scant if any evidence Israel is trying in anyway to keep civilian casualties at a minimum.

What is it in their genetics that make them different? Is it the shade of "brownness"?

People are shaped by their environment. For Palestinians, that environment is shaped by Israel, and has been for decades and decades. Since before their grandparents time

Simply wondering what was the basis for the strong resistance to an assertion that a certain group of people would be inherently just like other people. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't be.

If Israel fails in its aims of complete genocide and elimination of the Palestinians, then no doubt there will be another generation of Hamas equivalent organisation to come along in 15-20 years. My opinion is that it is Israel who control and create the dynamic and have ultimate responsibility.

What do you think is yourself that might cause this - assuming you have the same opinion that it is something inherently different to them rather than environmental?

Shipping chaos at the Panama canal could lead to delays at the Suez canal.

Israeli shipping company to reroute around Africa citing security concerns.

I suggest you try reading the posts again in context.

It's either that or you are deflecting to question for some reason.

Too many on here are actively participating in the dehumanizing of the Palestinians people in order to justify genocide.

The below is satire ........... but is actually not that far from reality for some!

I came across that link in this article:

which makes the point that:

I presume you are referring to my posts, so let me clarify what I said to save you from foolishly misinterpreting it.

Hamas leadership planned the attack and no doubt there are some, many, who knows for sure who want to maintain the goal of destroying Israel. Those who took part on the attack on oct 7th I'd be fine with saying think similarly. I have continued advocated for the targeting and removal of such people and at the very least the prosecution of those involved in carrying out the attack.

But I do not believe that the majority of whatever number makes up their forces likely feel this way. Purely from a logical perspective. Most people on the planet want peace and security above all else. That is just a simple fact. And pro-Israel posters were arguing on here that Hamas is popular because it gives jobs to people through joining the brigades. And if this is true, then is it not likely that they don't hold the same extent of feelings with respect to the motivation to destroy Israel?

You can disagree with what I say, that's fine of course, but there's no need to misrepresent what it is I am saying to try to score a few punches on a strawman.

(of course day by day, I'd imagine the desire to see Israel feel pain and death grows given what is happening so if Israel keeps it up, they will no doubt get to a 'sweet spot' where practically, all Palestinians who they haven't butchered hate them as much as is humanely possible, but anyone who says they won't think the same way if their community and families were being targeted and destroyed, is just plain lying).