General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

That's always been the rule as long as I've been playing and watching football...

Joelinton is some man for a fake injury.

Shockingly poor United team. A few recent lucky wins can’t hide that fact

I wasn’t ranking the things he should be most annoyed about. I suppose my point could have been better put, the PL amended the rules this year, because of Tindle’s behaviour last year. And they are ignoring their own rules. Either it’s a rule or it’s not.

The biggest problem United have is their supposed big players Fernandes and Rashford give no leadership whatsoever.

Until United get rid and acquire proper leaders it ain’t going to get better. Also, how is Martial still getting game time. He offers nothing at all. Surely there is some young lad in the u21s who deserves a chance ahead of Martial.

For all the flack Maguire and Shaw have gotten over the last couple of years at least they work hard and deliver a performance most of the time.

Alan Tate booked for it today in the Burnley game. It's just poor and inconsistent officiating not to have done Tan-dall for it there.

Not sure if it's Eddie Howe been English or what, but Sky and BT absolutely love Newcastle these days and he always gets a easy ride from the reporters after the game regardless of the results.

Give them a few month's with Ange, I remember when Klopp first came to Liverpool he got that love all treatment...big Ange will be getting it in the neck by the end of the year. But never good aul Eddie.

so many at United dont care , like Rashford , we had a similar problem at Everton , and we are slowly getting a team that cares, should be the bare minimum for me, effort; Rashford, Martial, Sancho have talent , but ther ratio of wages to effort is apalling

Is some of the talk about motivations etc not a bit lazy? The CB partnership is Maguire and Shaw (a left back), the CM partnership is Mainoo (a child) and McTominay. This is the spine of the team. I don’t think any of these people have any real attitude problems but we also know that this is a very bad spine to a team. Right?

Incidents like this get emphasised to a different degree when the team is doing bad though, right? If the team is doing well and creating chances for Rashford, nobody is talking about this. I'm not even defending him really, but I still think the conversation gets blown out of proportion. United have won 5 out of their last 6 league games before today (yes I'm aware it was a friendlier part of their schedule), and today they've lost 1 nil away at a team with an incredible home record who also beat Aston Villa, Arsenal and Chelsea there. And immediately the whole conversation (across the board) goes back to the performative 'what can we do about these United player's attitudes?' conversation. When really if you look at the 2 lineups today, I don't see how we could have expected United winning to be the more likely outcome.

Absolutely.

Didn't see yesterday's game, but this is a poorly assembled squad, going through some injury problems. There are certainly some cultural and disciplinary problems in the club, but it's too simple to put everything down to Rashford and his attitude - he's always been a streaky player. When he's hit, he's very hot, eg after Xmas last season, but when he's not he's not, and there is no in between. He carried himself with a hangdog expression at times that does him no favors but I don't necessarily think he's a bad egg or has a bad attitude.

There are many others that ETH should worry about before him.

If you just look at the table you won't get a true picture of what is happening at United.

They haven't won away from home against a top half team since Oles time. They've also had some seriously lucky wins this season where they've played awfully and someone popped up with a goal from nothing. That reliance on a moments will eventually come up short.

It was very evident against Galatasaray, and to a lesser degree yesterday, but the attitude in that Man Utd squad is horrible.

Every other player has their hands up complaining when a team mate doesn't pass to them or shoots instead. The captain Bruno the main culprit but also Martial, McTominay, Rashford very guilty of it too. Garnacho is a kid but has mastered it already. Constantly annoyed at each other. No real unity. A disjointed collection of individuals who want to do it for themselves. And it's individual moments that are getting them their wins against Luton, Fulham etc.

Contrast that to Newcastle, who have worse injury problems, and they are a real team collective. I don't like to give Newcastle much praise because of the ownership outfit and diving / faking injuries etc but credit where it is due, Howe has them playing as a unit. They are unable to make subs lately and have the same 11 playing every game but they are working for each other every minute or every game. They value the team over individuals. Antony Gordon the standout atm.

They count the same but there's a big difference between winning at home to Luton and still having to go away to Man City compared to winning away at Man City away and still having to play Luton at home.

What a free kick from Trent...

Thomas Bramall surely can't ref again at PL level after this. Bournemouth players on yellows running around fouling people non-stop and ref just bizarrely refusing to take the 2nd one out.

Can someone explain the VAR rule that meant that Brighton didn't get a corner when Colwill didn't handball, but headed the ball behind? Instead Pawson gives uncontested drop ball to Chelsea keeper.

Supposedly the correct call but if so a rule needs to be changed