No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

So the water to the whole place is off, a cyber attack on our small local group water scheme... supposedly by the Iranians.

They have made it clear that the Israeli sourced hardware being used was the target.

Some pain in the hole for everyone especially those with cattle housed.

10 of them here.

Shane could sing and chew gum at the same time.

Anyone want to take a stab at pricing a boundary wall. 45 metres long.

Foundation, 8 rows of 4 inch blocks on edge above ground, 4 on the flat under. 12 piers, wall caps and pier caps and plastered. Location has a fairly substantial slope.

I was going to put it on the DIY forum but thought I might get a better response here, seeing as there is alot of building work going on in farming at the moment. Some one had posted something similar breaking down on here a while back but I cant find it now.

I actually don't blame him.

Love this weather. Got more done today than the previous few weeks. Ure more in minded to do jobs when it is bright .

git all the sheep in doses for fluke. Rams removed. Hoggets moved to new ground , store lambs weighed and batched. Great days work.

would have been perfect for spreading fym only for hear calendar farming nonsense

Thanks Bass, I have it dug out already. I got a price of 16.5k. That is cash price, no Vat. And supposed to be cost. Sharing the price with neighbour who is builder and doing it at "cost". So 8k each

My own back of an envelope price came in at 11k including plastering both side so words will have to be had.

He wants his cake n eat it with founds dug n all. Surely if the two of ye put in the ready-mix some Saturday morning before Christmas and during the week off over Christmas throw the blocks up n caps up.

Personally I'd be telling him I don't have the dough at the mo. No great neighbourly spirit there.

You could tell him you're pricing fence and hedging. Block walls are a bit of an eyesore in the long run anyway

You could always get someone else to do the job, he's obviously no friend nor does he have much respect for you so he might only think more of you for not allowing yourself be rode.

Spent this afternoon pulling a Cat6 cable through the attic as I didn't like the router and a pile of wires beside the front door.

Spent yesterday welding up a gate for the garden. Could have made it a lot more simply than I did, but I'm burdened by the need to do things neatly, but without the actual ability to do it neatly. A bad combination.

The father here always thought the same, now there are 100s of metres of hedges to be trimmed about the yard and house and most of them inaccessible with the trimmer on the tractor.

Your own €11k is about right.

You’ll be lucky to get away with an 8 metre lorry load of ready-mix, I’d be putting in 9-10 metres but if ground is good underneath you’ll stretch the 8 metres to do it.

That’s over €1k for readymix and add on the labour for pouring it and setting screeds, which gets a bit trickier with a stepped foundation. 2 men for a day probably so about €500 for labour.

You’ll need 1500 blocks to allow for piers and half blocks etc. It’s a while since i bought blocks but they’re surely around €1 a block still and labour will be €2 a block so that’s €4,500 for blocking. Add in sand and cement at €500 so €5k.

Capping is like asking how long is a piece of string because it depends on the capping you want. You’d be looking at minimum €1k for materials but could be many multiples of that if you want a special cut stone or something like that. I’ll assume you’re going with a lower end capping so say €1k for materials and another €500 for labour.

Plastering, especially at this time of year, will be 2 days work for a plasterer and labourer. That’s €1k for labour and materials another €500.

That all comes to about €9.5k.

Add a bit of premium because you have said you’re working in a substantial slope which will make everything more difficult and time consuming, so say €500. Then add on even €1k for overheads consumables and a small bit of profit for the builder because as @FintanMcluskey said previously it would be a stupid tradesman that doesn’t have some bit of profit out of a job and that’s your €11k.

That would be cash price with virtually no profit for the builder.

At €16k he is bulling you a bit, but don’t attempt to tell him he should be doing it for €7k or you’ll be making a laughing stock of yourself.

Made an error in the calculation on the foundations. However the foundations for a wall like that do not need to be that wide. You would get away with 12''. The foundations are to support the 4'' block not the 4'' flat. 16'' would be a waste of concrete. I have a block on edge wall build on a 9'' foundation 4-5'x deep. Its nearly 30 years there no cracks or any other damage. House is on 9'' foundation's 3' wide. Mass concrete walls for shed are 5'' by 16' and they are going nowhere either.

So 45 M X0.3X.125 add 20% for overlaps = 2.25m even at 16'' foundations its 2. 7 metres. With a bit of steel mesh in it it will be more than adequate.

Was a bit tight with the blocks it should be 1500. But I checked a price I got few months ago it was for the son he is starting a house next year blocks 700+ vat, ready mix for foundations 123+ or 80c/ block and 140/ meter.

This idea of rounding everything up breaks lads. If I was building that wall I be directly employing a block layer. It's a job a good block layer would piss though in two days. You just do the steps at either 4.5 or 9''.

Any block layer will grab for that job@2/block and be delighted. Lot of lads with sites closed over Christmas's would actually love it. 2-3 days work and 3k 2k for the blockie and 1k for the lad tending him. Steps are not time consuming if putting in at 4.5 or 9'' steps. There's no windows, or door openings, no cavity or insulations to be fitted, wall ties its a really handy job. If you actually got a good handyman he do it as well

A ton of cement is 300/ ton Inc vat, I doubt if you will need all of that for the complete job blocks and plastering. Sand at 40/ton, 2-3 hundred euro. At a guess I would say 5 ton and you will have a bit left over for a sand pit for the children.

@Cushtie never specified any caps so I imagine it bog standard capping as at a guess this wall is at the back of a house.

I would not be giving any more than 7-8k cash for that job including materials in total. If I was getting it done and putting a bit of effort in myself, putting blocks and caps into position, barrowing the ready mix to the foundations, tending the man laying the blocks getting the sand drawning the cement etc organised and supplying my own mixer on site I would expect to get bit done South of 5k.

Bass you are a mile out thinking you will get that done for 7 or 8k cash. A blocklayer and labourer wouldnt get that done in two days in the middle of summer let alone any other time of the year. You fail to allow for the fact that the man be not be able to assist with the works. Its hard enough to get a tradesman from 8 - 5 Monday - Friday. The concrete will work out at 45m x .225 x .6 wide at best [ 2ft bucket ] plus extra bit around piers

If the man wants to stay on good terms with his neighbour then somewhere around 12 - 13k excl the Vat element would be fair. He will make a fool of himself offering 7 or 8k this day and age

Get your uncle to call to the farmer and show him what his animal did to him