General Irish politics discussion thread

Could there not be some mechanism for 'distance' voting in such circumstances in this day and age?

You're wrong on the fuel and refuse to face the concept that demand is the reason flights exist.

Oversimplistic or ignorant, I'm not sure which

Fuel load is calculated based on the number of passengers and the weight of all bags and cargo. For a long haul flight every passenger makes a noticeable difference to the fuel required.

All specific sectors can use the 2/4% GHG contribution argument. It's a similar figure for the fertiliser industry, methane from cattle etc. It's when you add all these that you get 100%. No single magic bullet in one sector. The focus on methane ATM, is because success with that would buy time, about 20 years for the other sectors.

Minister Ryan was very clever in not egging it too much, just let the viewers and listeners reach their own conclusions on the Dail vote.

Its about 30 litres of fuel, each way. And that's assuming he hasn't got any bags.

Its a 6000km+ (depending on routing) flight; and that is the fuel requirement just for an extra passenger on board - taking the weight of the airframe and fittings as already covered. If he has 20KG of bags, add another 5 litres each way.

Carbon offsets are nearly entirely scams.

Ultimately this is not about grams of CO2 pumped into the skies per knot, it is a virtue-signaller having his signalling shoved where the sun ain't shine.

That's your opinion on my views and you're welcome to it,I stand by them so we'll have to agree to disagree

You'd think air traffic is not shrinking, its growing and by virtue of that airlines are in the business of filling bums on seats,the aim in fact is to over sell so there's capacity to fill no shows and yes that means tanks will be full or as near as necessary more than not

A moot point for even the amount of fuel you're saying Ryan's journey is going to take vs what a holiday flyer to Dubai would use on just 1 or 2 days commuting from wexford

It's yet another reason going on about air travel carbon footprints as if they're 'not insignificant ' is ott

As to how much fuel a commuter might use,and that they should work more locally, that wouldn't go down well on the M11 or any other motorway into Dublin,its idealism

Idealism is good but not too often realistic

Reality is road commuters are saving multiples of the fuel used to carry them to their foreign holiday

It speaks volumes to the 'fauxness' of the outrage on air travel

More in people's line to be looking at the 96% to 98% not the 2 to 4%

I don't see it happening though

That's where I stand on the issue,I think I've got that you don't agree but it's probably for another thread somewhere else,this one might be better going back to its usual fare (pardon the pun 😆)

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Yes, the country should stand still while Eamonn is off saving the planet.

Yes Jennifer Whitmore

Common Sense really

No sense being complicit in wasting taxpayers money

To be fair to Ryan,he probably genuinely (however misguided in my view) believed his contribution by going back if he had to go home was going to promote a better agreement more important in the long run than the drop of aviation fuel

Soc Dems have previous and paired with Helen McEntee on her maternity leave.

I'm amazed Leo, Micheal and Eamon didn't reach out to anyone in opposition and ask for a pairing as soon as the date for the no confidence vote came in. I can understand Leo and Martin to a certain degree, they've never had much genuine interest in Climate change. More surprised with Eamonn though.

Given Holly Cairnes did the same with Helen McEntee when Helen was in maternity leave that's an interesting outlook from Leo. He must think think maternity leave is a form of illness. Quite a strange outlook really.

100 years of FF and FG in government and opposition set the precedent/protocol but SF are the bold ones?

Nobody could match the spinning in that view blanch, fair play.

Dick Spring was carried into the Dail on a stretcher for a vote in the early 1980s.

Generally, apart from that divisive time when the crook Haughey was in charge of Fianna Fail in opposition, opposition parties have been fairly ok when it came to illness. That has changed with Sinn Fein becoming the opposition. Remember they wouldn't do a pair for Helen McEntee on maternity leave (says it all about their support for women) and they are doing their best to recall the worst of Haughey's FF.