Moon landing hoax

This is a big issue that flat earthers have to keep avoiding.

They've been shown this is a case and provided tons of resources to show this.

They can't explain it. They can't deny it. The certainly won't actually put it to the test themselves.

Yeah, you "figured" it would have to be oriented precisely, but you didn't bother to check how it might work. You just assumed it wouldn't, because that suits your beliefs.

No, I think the argument is that these people studying physics and engineering just aren't as smart as the folks who've cracked the whole global conspiracy by watching youtube and not reading a single science book.

The guys at UCD were just wasting their time making a satellite that can't possibly work and were too dumb to realise it wouldn't work. Should have spent more time on youtube.

As explained, you can see certain satellites from earth. For example Starlink and the ISS. There are plenty of websites that will show you exactly what time the ISS is passing overhead where you live.

There's been a couple of posters who have claimed that "satellites are fake". None of them have attempted to simply look at the ISS in the night sky or even acknowledged that. That speaks for itself.

"Hey look at this thing"

-"No, it doesn't exist. Not looking at it"

Good grief, can't believe you took the time to type this out. You do make a good point on the quarter of a trillion of inflation adjusted tax dollars, though. Really makes the argument that it would be "more difficult or expensive to fake it" (i.e the most abused argument in this thread) more laughable.

The greatest use of NASA by the US government was it's use as an escrow to siphon limitless tax payer dollars out for use in their foreign escapades. Escapades that would never get the support of the American people. For instance, all those billions you think were spent to send a tin foil box to the moon and back with zero incident, were in actuality used to fund the war in Vietnam. Anti-war sentiment was so huge at the time that Nixon's administration would never pass any bill for further funding. Which compelled them to create this fantasy land that would not only allow them to use billions of tax payer money but also hypnotise the everyday American into a false sense of patriotism. Really ingenious when you think about it. "NASA" funds were used for the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq. it was even used to fund the abomination that was Obama Care (ever notice how nothing space related happened during Obama's administration? its because they literally had no funds left to even launch the odd rocket here and there). NASA funds are now being used to fund the war in Ukraine and Gaza, so it's only natural that they've already started to wind down the ISS progam.

What's more baffling is that people continue to this day to believe the fantasy version... 🤣

You've completely ignored my point on the sentiments of the American people. They can afford to give the military 816 billion because there is little to no backlash by the everyday American, unlike the Vietnam or other wars. NASA is little more than a rainy day fund.

Good grief indeed. That's probably the biggest pile of shite I'll read today. Thanks. You of course have impeccable proof of all of this? 😂

3 people died in the Apollo 1 fire, Apollo 13 nearly claimed three more. Zero incident?

The lunar module as a tin foil box. Thanks for the laugh.

How are we able to watch live television broadcasts from the likes of Asia or Australia? With barely 1-2 seconds of delay?

Why don't you put "Source: @Dohnjoe " at the end of all your posts? Give yourself the credit you deserve.

Would you say all these videos are real?

They don't have NASA or @Dohnjoe approved stamps, so probably fake. They certainly look fake.

This should be a part of the psychology forum.

What evidence?

You can believe whatever you want. However you aren't exactly making a very convincing case that our satellite TV dishes are actually pointed at something hung on a balloon that magically stays in the same place

Better hope they don't crash into each other or the entire jig is up

There is zero evidence that they are balloons, it was pulled out of someone's arse, just like every "alternative" explanation is. They never require any evidence for the alternatives.

And the evidence would be trivial to get if it actually existed.

All the flat earthers would need is to point a camera at one of these balloons and zoom in.

Or they could show footage of these balloons taking off or landing.

We've given them tons of examples of people able to actually take a photo of the ISS in orbit. They just ignore that and call it fake.

The gas thing is the whole balloon concept, and if it actually existed as a means to mimic satellites crossing the night skies, would probably be a harder system to get up and running than actually just developing orbital insertion space flight & orbital mechanics...

Are the BallooneLites (there, I've given them a name) just there to visually mimic satellites passing over head during (clear) nights? (the balloon guy must be delighted when it's a cloudy night, as he gets a night off) or do they have actual functions like communications/positioning?

The jet stream generally passes over Ireland in a Westerly to Easterly direction, so how come I always see these balloonelites going in various different directions against the jet stream?

It is a nightly occurrence, in 24 hours the ISS makes around 16 orbits

It can be captured with a good enough camera.

This app will literally hold your hand in seeing the ISS

Of course, if you don't look at it, that means it doesn't exist, and you can't be wrong about all this, so there's that..

If you have ever installed a satellite TV dish, you would know that they exist alright. Point the dish at the sky and align it to the scientifically proven and easily verified 3mm tolerance and low and behold, TV channels come streaming down. Move it to another advised position, get the tolerance (azimuth and elevation) exactly right and signals from a different satellite will come streaming down. You can calculate the required parameters from your specific lat and long location - (you can find these through looking up data that is provided, ironically enough, by GPS satellites)

Knowing the frequency that the signals are being received on will tell you that due to the physical wavelength concerned (very very small), the signal could not be coming from a balloon as it requires something absolutely dead stable to meet the required transmit and receive alignment position tolerances (its just radio wave theory physics) ... IE a satellite in geo stationary orbit, positioned about 36,000km away in order to achieve the required coverage footprint. If either the transmit or receive side moves out of position by as much as three mill, the signal is lost - that level of accuracy could not possibly by provided by a balloon, or by anything floating within the earth's unstable atmosphere.

In a previous life, as a telecomms tecnician, I installed equipment in the London HQ of Inmarsat... a company that manages satellites. They were using our telephone conference equipment to talk to multiple tracking stations around the world while positioning their satellites in to the required exact geo-stationary positions. The procedure took weeks because of the tiny speed adjustments that had to be made to match with the rotation of the earth.

The signal from Eirsat 1 was received by amateur radio operators all over Europe immediately after deployment last Friday night, as they competed to be the first to verify reception of a coded signal burst from the device, broadcast on 437.1 Mhz. No secrets or conspiracy, the European Space Agency published the frequency and requested help in verifying the exact orbit path.

In 1983, the Irish Radio Transmitter Society (IRTS) set up a transmitter in Dublin and made contact with the space shuttle Columbia, as it passed overhead. If you point a tight beam antenna up to the sky, the received signal has to come from the same direction down and will only be receivable for the time length of 'the pass'. IE the time it takes for the craft to appear from below one horizon, before disappearing below the other. It is all basic science.

QED

Your incredulity is not evidence. Show the maths that it is improbable if you believe it so. The actual maths show it is probable enough that at any time, a significant portion of the population will experience it every so often.

That poster claimed to be an amateur, it's right there in their post.

"Amateur sailor here who uses GPS to navigate while out at sea."

Just a correction there, carry on..

Yeah that was me saying it was no longer up for debate (with me anyway) due to the absolute abundance of evidence that shows that GPS is a thing that is real, and is an aid to navigation…. Or are the millions upon millions of mariners/sailers around the world all in on it too, or even the thousands of people posting videos of themselves sailing through oceans hundreds/thousands of km from land, yet are still able to pinpoint their exact position on the planet to within a few meters?

Not up for debate with me because I know how utterly bizarre and ridiculous the notion that ‘orbital space flight is not real’ is…. So much so that I am 100% convinced that the ‘balloon believers’ in this thread are simply trolling at this stage, as I do know people can fall deep deep down the rabbit holes with various conspiracies, I still have difficulty believing there are people out there that don’t believe space flight exists…