2023 NFL regular season thread (no picks)

Hurts has had a few of his customary failures to spot wide open guys this game

Unbelievable, the Eagles have turned up in this second half. 21-17 Eagles, pressure on the Chiefs to respond now.

Two atrocious drops by Chiefs receivers to kill the game. You love to see it.

I'm having a miserable day fasting since yesterday for a colonoscopy tomorrow.

Can't wait for the football, I think I'll forget about the fasting once it begins.

I think the Lions will give the Packers a good going over. They are just too strong on the ground against a weak run defense. This will lead to the Packers moving close to the line and then you've got to deal with Amon-Ra St. Brown, and Jameson Williams seems to be hitting top gear as well.

You'd think the Cowboys should easily handle the Commanders but this rivalry produces the most messed up results.

Last year with the Cowboys still fighting for the NFC East title the Commanders rolled into Dallas and whooped them 26-6. It's 3-3 over the last three years. I've seen 6-3, 7-6 9-7, 38-31, 33-31 in my years watching these two go at it. . It can go anyway anytime.

Late game you have to fancy the 49ers but they haven't a great record in this rivalry despite winning both games last year.

Dolly Parton mid-season Superbowl half-time entertainment show right now

People were criticising the decision to for a Hail Mary?

I'd imagine these are the same people think that analytics is always right when the math behind it is flawed.

I seen it the other night with a team up by 14 with a 4th and 2 inside the 20 and the commentator saying that analytics says go for it here and the colour commentator says it's the correct decision and you'll have no regrets if you don't get it.

I didn't do the math on it, it's just naturally in my head without have to do numbers but you've got a three score lead if you take the field goal. At best your likely average score if you get the first down is about 5.5.

On offense the signing of Schultz along with the two rookies Stroud and Dell have been huge.

Singletary has turned into a great pickup as well, he's done a great job with Pierce out. I actually was very big on Singletary coming out of college but he didn't deliver consistently or often with Buffalo. He's still only 26, loads of miles left on the clock.

Not a shock given there was a report that the owner was seen leaving the locker room and yelling “****.”

I didn't particularly fancy Young coming out of college but he's better than what we are seeing of him now. Mac Jones is in a similar situation. Neither of them have an offensive line. In that situation where you are consistently running for your life you are going to make bad decisions to try and keep a drive going.

Jones is done in New England but somebody will pick him up and if they have a good line they might be pleasantly surprised if their starter gets injured.

You won't like this Foxtrol but I think the 49ers would be a great landing spot for him to back up Purdy.

Just while I'm on Purdy, I can't believe nobody is talking about him as a potential MVP. He's been fantastic all season, I can't think of any other QB whose been as consistent at a high level.

Fields to Moore probably saved a man his job just now.

He certainly made the trade last year a worthwhile one, I know a lot of Panthers fans were pretty disgusted to find out that the cost of getting the new QB was he wouldn't have him to throw to

The Cowboys, we score 40 or we lose.......

The Patriots are only a couple of offensive players away from being serious contenders. We are completely fine on defense.

Mac is done in New England after this season. I'll always hold the opinion that it's not his fault. He isn't getting two seconds in the pocket on most plays. The one time the offensive line held up this season he had a fine game with no picks.

I'm comparing Bryce Young to him for the simple reason that you see both making some horrible throws and it's a bad habit that will destroy you if you are doing it long enough.

It's a case of your team being in a hole and being desperate to keep a drive alive while running for your life.

The current Niners no.2 had that problem pretty much since he came into the league. I'm still of the opinion that we don't know how good or bad he is just like Mac Jones and Bryce Young in his young career.

It's not as simple as just deciding a player makes awful throws, you gotta understand the man. I know Mac Jones hates losing as do most players, he's willing to take those risks, when his team are well behind, rather than give the ball back to the opposition.

It doesn't mean that he's a great or even good quarterback, it simply means we don't know what he is. A promising rookie season has been followed by two seasons of being hurried, rushed, pressured and sacked.

Brock Purdy's offensive line looks like heaven to Mac Jones and Bryce Young. He's often given 3+ seconds in the pocket, Jones and Young never get that.

The Lions are dangerous I think. I wouldn't rule out the Bills just yet.

Also the Jags are in the thick of the battle to win the first seed in the AFC conference.

So Purdy played one of the best defense lines in football last night, how bad was his protection? You are seriously over critical on the niners pass protection. And Purday gets a hell of a lot more time than Mac Jones has gotten for pretty much all of the last two seasons. Purdy might be in Jones situation a couple of times per game but he get loads of time a lot.

I think you're possibly referring to a different play than me, you're possibly talking about when they hit mahomes and they said it was unnecessary roughness (which was yet another bad call)? I am talking about when I think it was Valdez scantling trying to get out of bounds to stop the clock and the defender stopped the forward progress before he got out but the refs allowed the play to run until he was over the sideline, stopping the clock.

I counted a lot of times last night, some of which I'm sure you say was him under pressure. Each time, except twice, I got to 1/3000 before he had to move. I've done this during many Patriots games and I don't get to finish 1/2000 all the time and it's nearly always 2000.

Purdy has good footwork in the pocket when he has to move, he makes more time for himself when he needs it but he has far more time than either of Jones or Young.

Bailey Zappe played for the Patriots last night, he was much worse than Jones. A 52% completion rate and sacked five times against the 4th worst defense in the league. Jones has a 64.9% completion rate through 11 games and 22 sacks which is quite incredible with all the pressure he is constantly under. He only gets time for short throws, he's averaging 6.1 yards per reception. He has twelve interceptions, nine of which have come on third down.

I suppose I'm coming across as being biased towards Jones here. I'm not, as I said in a previous post, I don't know what we've got, he could be terrible, average, good or even great. We won't know that until he gets at least an average OL to protect him.

Those stats are under center stats. They don't include stats from the gun, they don't include stats from when it's a rpo or play action.

You can't take anything from those stats. You always have less time when you line up under center. And there's not many plays under center that are considered certain or highly likely pass plays, you generally have a running back behind you and sometimes a full back too. So they aren't expected pass plays. He's working with a very small sample from every game.

I went and got stats and Russell Wilson is the only regular starting QB with 10+ games this season that gets more time in the pocket than Brock Purdy. He's level with Jalen Hurts and CJ Stroud.

Of those with 10+ games Tua Tagovailoa gets the least amount of time, then Mac Jones. Bryce Young gets a lot more time than I thought.

Just to add that having a good receiving helps a lot too. Tua has Hill and Waddle. Purdy has Samuel, Kittle, Aiyuk and McCaffrey.

Thing is that Burrow has a great bunch of receiver's in Chase, Higgins and Boyd.

Lawrence has Kirk, Ridley, Engram and Etienne. Not as good as the Bengals but still very good.

Jones hasn't got anybody of that standard. Our top guy is JuJu Smith-Schuster. He wouldn't get on the field with any good team.