Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The Dutch government up in court at the Hague this morning on charges of being complicit to human rights abuse. Verdict due in a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't think we're at that point yet and I don't believe US wants a war with Iran right now.

The memory of Afghanistan (the pointlessness of it all) is still fresh in the minds and conservative commentators and media spend this year and last talking about how they shouldn't be involved in supporting Ukraine so I'd say a fresh war is not part of their plan at the moment.

Biden has gotten what he wanted out of this conflict, US conservative sentiment is largely in favour of Israel and they approve his actions in supporting Israel as they have done. He's lost a lot of liberal minded people mind, but they're easier for him to get back on side rather than the conservatives near the fence who approve his behaviour in this regard.

That is one big difference between the Israelis and the Palestinians. At least the Israelis don't mass rape and gang rape a load of young girls before killing them while 'at war'. Guess that makes the Israelis the 'good guys' in this sick war.

We are really starting to see why Israel is so defensive with these maniacs next door. How does one negotiate with lunatics that want to mass rape (and then murder) your daughters? I'm afraid there is but one path.

Didn't happen according to some on here 🙄 It's coming out now that men were also raped during the attack. Maybe the deniers will take that more seriously since they obviously don't care that much when it happens to women

Almost two months now and still supporting Gaza equals supporting Hamas to some 🙄

Anyone who puts the civilians being bombed out of it and the Hamas scumbags in the same category are as dim as the afternoons here at the minute.

proposals now being floated for future of gaza:

"John Bolton, the former Republican US national security adviser, has proposed to the UK’s foreign affairs select committee that the Gaza Strip be split into two territories, with Gaza north of the Wadi Gaza River administered by Israel and an area to the south run by Egypt.

Bolton added that he would abolish the UN relief works agency, UNRWA, which he said had “developed an institutional culture of sustaining the refugee status of Palestinians”.

His proposal would involve large numbers of Palestinians leaving Gaza permanently. Bolton said his it would mean Palestinians were no longer stuck in the eternal hell of Gaza, a place he described as a terrorist state.

Bolton said it was clear that the refugees from Gaza would not be able to be resettled in Israel, since that was not consistent with Israel’s security needs. He added that Israel had made it clear it was not even going to provide work visas. As a result, he said, they should be resettled in third countries.

“This is not forcible population removal but doing what we did after world war two – we find other countries that will accept refugees and give them asylum. They have to be put in places where they are part of a functioning economy. Otherwise they do not have the dignity of providing for themselves,” he said.

Bolton, who acted as national security adviser to Donald Trump, warned that if the current population was allowed to stay in Gaza they would be in an “Orwellian situation where there is no future and the Palestinian people will become victims once again”.

He described his plan as an interim solution and claimed it was legal since there was an unresolved mandate for Gaza dating to the League of Nations, and the previous responsibility of the British had not been clearly handed to anyone else.

Bolton’s plan is based on the presumption that Gaza and the West Bank will not form a state as part of a wider two-state solution. His proposal echoes proposals circulating in the Israeli government.

Washington has ruled out such a proposal but as Gaza becomes slowly uninhabitable due to Israeli bombardment, the US could reluctantly change its policy to seek homes for Palestinians away from Gaza." (The Gaudian)

They'll continue under a regime inflicting slow drip ethnic cleansing.

You will be happy when Ireland takes in a 100K and loads of shellshocked angry Gazans move next door to you. I bet you soon change your tune then.

You wouldn't happen to have a link for that, by any chance?

Have a look on the Guardian website, it will only take a minute or two on it.

I think you will find out a lot of things you think are fiction end up being correct soon enough.

I know its not fashionable to give Donald Trump any praise, but one good thing he did was ignore that war junkie. If Bolton had his way America would have gone to war with Iran.

No question.

From Bolton:

Link

I'd take his word on what is good for the areas as much as I would listen to Daniel Kinahan talking about the benefits of inner city boxing clubs.

"Power targets" - understand what this means and you'll understand where this is going.

For the people justifying the butchering of tens of thousands and the displacement of millions because of the crime of rape.