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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    What's baseless?

    That the far left is part of the Irish establishment?

    They're in the Oireacthas ffs, they're not standing outside Leinster House in their underwear screaming incoherently. They're in the chamber and have been for a long time.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭Augme



    What's baseless is that the far left pose a greater threat than the group of people who have spent lots of their time and energy setting fire to things and building with people living inside them.





  • I look at Gript to check out for anything that “Pravda” may have failed to mention. Tbh news is being manipulated everywhere and to various extents has been on the past, but in recent times it is very obvious that we are being fed by the media a diet the State believes is good for us, or good for some anyhow.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Those thugs have been arrested and will be prosecuted, and rightly so.

    The far left loonies are sitting in the Oireacthas spouting their insane rhetoric and actively influencing our society.

    One is worse than the other,but neither are good.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If one is way worse than the other why try to deflect from that? Why try to equate them? Why try to deflect from one by introducing what about the other?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm talking about both because one is blamed for everything and the other is given carte blanche.

    The far right are a bunch of idiots, the far left are far more organised and well positioned to push their agenda.

    That isn't deflection, it's an honest assessment of the facts.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,965 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You are pushing this "in the Oireachtas" line as if they just snuck in.

    They are there because they were elected.

    They have a mandate from their constituents the same as any TD.

    The other crowd are trying to short circuit the system by creating chaos and confrontation on the streets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    The far right are not as stupid as you seem to think. Plenty of their phrases are being used by the ordinary person on the street. Start of quite reasonable and get more and more extreme, that's how it goes and is going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    When you were writing that did you stop to think what the fact that the far left are getting elected (notably the far right aren't within an assess roar of such an outcome) shows that the far left are indeed a bigger issue than the far right?

    These aren't a cohort of TD's fighting diligently for he working man or woman, they're increasing indulging their more extremist views.

    They have a foot hold the far right will never have and they're free to spout anything they like.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I think some people here are equating socialism with a far left movement. As a socialist myself, I wouldn't describe myself as far left. Certainly left, but I have some right wing ideals as well.

    What I am trying to think of though, is what would make people (in Ireland) on the left riot and set fire to busses and trams etc? Having been on many marches for abortion rights, gay rights (2 things that don't affect me directly), Palestine rallies, water marches, etc, I honestly can't think of anything. I imagine if the Garda overreacted, there might be some pushback, but I think they learned their lessons from the student protest back in 2010.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭Augme


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Which far left extremist views do you particularly have a problem with? Most sensible people have said RBB was an idiot for saying what he said about Israel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    All of them, Boyd Barrett, Paul Murphy Gino Kenny are by far the worst of them however.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    What are the views you have issue with though? The ones that are on a par with the physical manifestations of far right rhetoric that lead to burning of tents, DP centres and the riots in Dublin?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I've discussed the issues in depth before on this forum, with you if my memory serves me correctly.

    The far right have done some reprehensible things but so have the far left. I'm not denying the actions of the far right, you seem to be determined to ignore the actions of the far left.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm not ignoring anything.

    You're the one saying that the Far Left are more dangerous than the Far Right. Yet you haven't actually explained how or given any examples of the ways the Far Left are as dangerous (or moreso!) than the Far Right which has lead to burning of tents, DP centres, harassment of librarians and riots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,965 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There's no downplaying. Shining a big light on your attempts to bothsides two dramatically different situations isn't downplaying. It's just calling out your BS, which is presumably why you're getting so defensive.

    One was elected to the Dail, one wasn't. That's a fairly important difference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,965 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I stop to think before I write anything.

    The fact that they are elected means they are part of our parliamentary democracy.

    That might be an issue for you but for me it is a reality which must be dealt with politically.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,965 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're on a roll now.

    According to you they are not the right sort.

    Not fit for office.

    What have you in mind ?

    A night of the long knives ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I disagree. I think that's your opinion but the reality is the far right are dangerous in their violence and intimidation and harassment but when that gets mentioned - it's downplayed, it's pretense the far right is minimal, its pretense the impact of the far right is minimal and its deflected by "look over here at these other people" - even the language of calling them "idiots" is about deliberately downplaying their danger.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Not at all. Again highlighting their lack of electoral successes is downplaying their impact online and on the streets. Its downplaying the violent impact they are having and have had. This idea that you only have an impact by having bums on seats is absurd and laughable and far from reality where far right is impacting negatively on peopled hones, people's communities, peoples lives, peoples jobs. It is just more downplay and denial.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    That's not really true though. Your constant thing on this site is to deny, downplay and deflect when the far right get mentioned.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭archfi


    No PBP clone will understand what you are saying, recode.

    They can't

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭archfi


    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    What are you on about?

    You've jumped the shark and then some.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Richard Boyd-Barrett, Paul Murphy, Gino Kenny etc etc would run a mile from the prospect of entering office - y'know, making decisions and taking responsiblity for those decisions? Can't be doing that.

    Far easier to be the perpetual hurler on the ditch.

    Edit: clarify who I was talking about!

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I wholly disagree. They'd outsource policy making to the Iona Institute and some foreign "think tanks" while they sell the state to their pals.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Boyd-Barrett sorry.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,161 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    The topic is Gript, not the likes of Boyd-Barrett, other politicians or other knife attacks



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