Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

What does a random Jewish restaurant owner in the US have to do with the actions of the Israeli government exactly ? How does screaming abuse through a window thousands of miles away have any impact on their policies?

Cool, a Strawman.

Haven't seen one of those in about 6 minutes.

Nobody is suggesting that. They should behave in an acceptable manner to their neighbors, they should refrain from all illegal settlements, they should show interest in promoting a two state solution, they should stop asking like a spoiled kid at the UN and they should immediately call a full and unconditional ceasefire.

Well if not then what was the point of going on about how Jews shouldn't have been given their own state? They were, it happened and they are there now so you'll just have to accept it I guess.

So you ask a question about the reasoning behind Israel being granted a state, and you imply it was warranted for ethnic reasons, but when I ask if you feel other ethnicities should therefore be justified in asking for a state, it's a rabbit hole? OK, your dancing around the question is an answer enough.

And given your quote from the IHRA suggesting their right to self determination based on their Jewish ethnicity, then it is again valid to ask do other ethnicities not deserve the same right?

So either consider the ethnicity argument in its entirety or admit you feel Jewish people are deserving of preferential treatment above and beyond that granted to other ethnic groups.

(All this aside, I'm not going to doff the cap to the opinion of the IHRA given their lack of consideration for the suffering of the Palestinians in their recent announcements and the blocking of accounts challenging them on this fact on Twitter)

What do you think they would say the phrase 'Never again truly meant given you are expressing how they would think kn my comments? Did it only refer to the persecution of Jewish people, because it sure looks that way.

The fash have held several BDS protests in England outside Mark and Sparks, it having been founded by a Jew a century and a half ago.

I wonder how long do they view before that "taint" washes out?

Probably never. Any association with judaism is enough for these people.

Meanwhile, a couple of London bus drivers have allegedly been refusing to let Jewish kids on. That'll show Israel. Totally not anti semitic

btw, Antisemitism, besides being wrong on every level is just stupid. It's been around for centuries and there's always some stupid conspiracy or religious reason for it. Jewish people run everything. Jewish people sacrafice babies. Jewish people were boogiemen for european racists for centuries. This peaked with the holocaust when millions were killed because of stupid conspiracies backed up by junk science.

Anti semitism, is just plain wrong. Same with Islamaphobia. Hating on someone because of what they are, instead of the person they are is just wrong. It's wrong to hate muslims, but it's ok to hate the members of Hamas/ISIS/etc.

Likewise it's wrong to hate jewish people just for being jewish, But it's ok to hate subsections who cause pain and suffering to other groups. I am disgusted by the settlers who move into an area and harass the local population. But I'm not disgusted by someone just because they're jewish or israeli.

I'm also disgusted by sections of the US christian religious right who believe that when israel contains all the lands that were jewish 2000 years ago, it will cause the rapture.

If you're going to hate someone, it had better be because they have done, or they supported, some disgusting action. Not because of the ethnic or religious group they are part of.

The ICRC has a policy of only speaking out in exceptional cases

British troops on the ground in Gaza.

WHO told to move supplies somewhere else.

Dublin City Council completely out of touch.

Dublin people fed up of these now weekly marches on Saturday afternoons.

You say, would you argue out of existance spain and italy. How about if a group of people, descended from Romans 2000 years ago, decided to take over large parts of italy declare a country and then occupy the rest of Italy, keeping the population in submission, whilst calling Italians who want self rule terrorists. Surely, the actual italians, living in italy, have rights. And how does the right of another ethnic group trounce theirs?

Countries exist. Ethnic groups exist. Sometimes they are both the same as in Ireland. But not always. Ethnic groups have no entitlement to their own country, but especially when they are not from that place. People in any area have the right to safety, security representation and self determination. And as mentioned, the fact that Italy is majority populated with Italians, and Spain is majority populated with Spaniards.

Roma originated in northern India. They are an ethnic group. They are dispersed around Europe. They have been persecuted for centuries. I believe they were the second largest group killed in the Holocaust. Should they have a right to claim part of northern India?

And please don't reply with "well if they want to, they should try it", or "I'm not going to tell them what they should do, it's their decision". I hate when people do that. It's a cop out and dodges the question.

When one ethnic group moves to another area, displaces the indigenous people and claims the land of their own, we call that colonialism.

If anything these protests bring people in to the city center.

What makes you think they don't spend money?

Dublin city has been on its knees for a long time, these protests aren't really making that worse.