Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I don't want to talk about it at all.

Go back and ask the 12:20am version of yourself why you felt it was relevant to turn the conversation in that direction.

I've already entertained you way too much on this nonsense. I'll make it easy for you, next time you want to bring ethnicity in to a conversation about why Israel exists, or why Jewish people should be viewed or treated in a particular way, ask yourself if the same would apply to other ethnic groups. When you do this, if you find you don't like what that would mean, maybe reconsider using the Jewish ethnicity for whatever point you were trying to make.

There probably should be a separate thread on the basis for the conflict in israel/Palestine. It is such a long and complicated history it just drags the thread into historical discussions rather than a current affairs discussion.

And can we change the thread title it's just a bit odd and a bit biased having it just called the Hamas attack when we have had an Israeli attack on gaza, not just Hamas, for over a month.

The actual news today is ominous. We could be rapidly heading towards a humanitarian disaster in the region, with disease breaking out among the displaced Gazan people. The Israeli state is clearly gone completely out of control and perhaps no longer even listening to the US.

The Israelis don't care. They never have and they never will. The only thing that would make them pause is the turning off of the taps of Western money and arms.

That is the was it always was and the way it always will be until they manage to wipe their Arab neighbours off the face of the earth. Any pause is simply a waiting game until there is another excuse for them to have another go at finishing the job.

Corbyn was the best asset the Conservative Party have had in years. He was put in place by the far left clowns in the Unions, just like they used their block vote to elect the wrong Miliband brother before him. Labours rump of far left anti capitalist anti Semitic Guardian reading smoked-salmon socialists are to that Party what the inbred old money Tories are to the Conservatives. Labour can't be seen to be anti Semitic but have to play to the crowd on anything to do with Israel so it's a balancing act for them.

It was decided that land in a place, that was being occupied by europeans, should be split between the new arrivals and the people who actually lived there. The people who actually lived there objected to this.

Can you imagine that here? A couple of hundred thousand people turn up and then the UN decides they get half the country. can you imagine anyone actually agreeing to this?

And btw, Israel never accepted it either. the fact that they immediately occupied more land should show that. If they want acceptance of that agreement, they should go back to those borders.

Why are you trying to rewrite history?

From the US Government on the Oslo accords. (Link)

Note: The Israeli representative, their PM, who signed the accords was assassinated by an Israeli who was against the content of the agreement.

If Israel was the peaceful participant as you suggest and only every reacted to provocation from the Palestinians, they wouldn't have fallen foul of some many UN resolutions and wouldn't be relying on the US to veto holding them to account time and time again.

I don't think people can be held accountable for every opinion their friends hold.

I dislike Corbyn because of the far left anti-democratic opinions he holds, the fact that's he's a closet Brexiteer but is too dishonest and spineless to admit it, and because he's a nasty petty vindictive humourless person. That's enough.

So no mention of the 700k settlers on the West Bank making a two state solution possible. I would accept that the Arab should accept part of the blame but to apportion the blame one hundred on one side just shows to everyone how completely biased you are.

Israel was the victim of continuous suicide bombs from Palestinians who were anti this treaty. Very obviously it fell apart

What's your point? Are you justifying the attack on October 7th? The lines on the map were not drawn by the people who live in Israel now. Do you think we should still be fighting a war to take back Northern Ireland?