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Hair transplant diary (ongoing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Should have gone with Thems and they could sell to females with alopecia too... someone in the marketing dept f***ed that one up



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    Had a consultation in Beacon Hair Restoration recently. Free consultation and a €500 deposit to book a date (refundable if cancelled 28 days prior). All seemed fine with me. I was quoted €6k all in with reviews at 3,6,9 and 12 months. The only prescription afterward will be an antibiotic to avoid any infection. I wasn't old how many grafts I would require but he just inspected my hair and said it would be €6k. Has anyone gone with them and if so have you any before and after pics or comments in relation to how it all went?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭Jay Pentatonic


    Strange to not be told the amount of grafts. Would have thought that'd be one of the main takeaways from any consultation.

    6k in Ireland could be a bargain or a rip off depending on how many grafts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,666 ✭✭✭HBC08


    A lot of red flags here.

    Didn't give you an estimation of how many grafts needed.

    Didn't give you a price per graft.If for example it's a small procedure of 1000 grafts that's €6 per graft which would get you the best surgeons in Europe.

    Didn't recommend finesteride or explain the pros and cons

    No explanation of plan to deal with future loss or detailed plan for this surgery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    I will email now and query the number of grafts required. He said they don't prescribe anything other than an antibiotic for infection purposes and that all the other stuff ca have bad side effects and mess with hormones. I'd really like to know if anyone went here and how it all went.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭Deadwards.com


    It is worth going to other clinics for consultations if you feel there are red flags there. This is an important decision for you so you should take your time. As someone once said to me, you wouldn't hire a builder without getting other quotes to compare against.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    I've actually booked in for a consultation in Santry for the end of January also for a second opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    So they said 5000-6500 hairs to be implanted, and that they don’t charge per follicle but rather to correct an area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,666 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I'd be looking at other places and in fairness youve got the ball rolling on that.

    Yet another red flag there,quoting in hairs rather than grafts.No proper clinic does this,its a misleading sales tactic.

    Finesteride can have side effects,I take it and get slights sides.I stopped taking it for a few years whilst trying for kids and the side effect that time was I went pretty bald.

    You need to be having the discussion with the doctor and being educated on it.A HT won't stop your hair continuing to fall out.

    I realise you're at the start of your journey/research,there's so much info out there it's hard to know where to start.I recommend Mr Rolandos on YouTube, he covers everything in good yet easy to understand detail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭HGVRHKYY


    Don't go near that place, any clinic talking about hairs instead of grafts aren't experienced enough to spend such money with. Especially ones who also say they don't prescribe finasteride after HTs. You should look at the options abroad instead of the overly expensive places in Ireland which have less experience than their European counterparts



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    I've reached Finesteride tbh and the links to increased risks of prostate cancer are very high. I'm 38 and was told that I wouldn't go bald where I still have hair now but not sure how true that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    There's also the topical version of Fin to consider...less sides than the oral form



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Did hair regrow after resuming Fin, or did it just keep what was left after the time off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,666 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I been on finesteride for 15 years with a 4 year break.There are a lot of potential sides,I've had/have some of them but thankfully none of the more serious ones like ED and depression. In all those years I've endeavoured to keep learning and educating myself on it,I've literally never heard of it linked to prostate cancer.

    I'm not advocating taking it or against it.Just be aware that if you don't address it your other hair will more than likely miniaturise and eventually fall out.

    There are a minority of men who are effected by MPB and then never progress past a NW 3 or 4,you could be in this group but it's statistically unlikely and have no way of knowing really.

    Anyway,I'd strongly suggest you educate yourself on all aspects of the surgery, meds,what to look for in a good/ bad clinic before jumping into anything



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  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    Thanks a mill guys. I'm booked into Santry for a second opinion the end of January so will make a decision after that consultation as to who to go with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,666 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Didn't really recover,maybe a slight improvement.

    I didn't have a choice though as was trying for kids at the time.It was frustrating seeing it thin out but some things are more important than hair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    aye.. although sperm only takes 3 months to regenerate so it could be possible to only stop for a few months, and then ensure max motility taking vitamins like Selenium (I've done too much research into this lol)

    Topical Fin is also something I'm looking at for similar reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Hairs instead grafts, no recommendation of finasteride, links between fin and prostate cancer and claiming to be able to predict a patient's future hair loss?


    It's amazing that someone can become a doctor (if this spoofer is indeed a doctor) and still talk absolute nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    Hence why I'm asking has anyone ever gone here before, it's open years so must be someone here who has used them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    I've never heard them mentioned here to be fair

    I find it odd they claim they are "Dublin's favourite", when I would expect to have seen at least one mention


    Some Google reviews seem to be fairly bad too




  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    Yeah there are very mixed reviews but that appears to be everywhere, some are happy and some aren't but I think that comes down to the individual a lot of time time. Not sure what they could do wrong though I've seen a few things on Facebook and Twitter of people who got it done there and the results looked very good to me but I'd love to actually hear from someone where what their experience was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    The main thing that can go wrong is that they harvest a lot of grafts from your donor area but don't implant them correctly, and this can mean you need to go back again to get a "top up". Ailesbury actually told me the same thing, and they said it was "expected" that you would go back to get further density done later.

    The problem with this is that you only have a limited number of times you can extract from the donor area before your donor area starts to look like it's thinning itself, so really you only get a max of 2 tries before your donor limit is reached.

    So it's best to maximise the likelihood of a positive result in as few sessions as possible as you only get 2 times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 LukeAJN


    It will be interesting to see if Growclub take much of their business, I’m pretty sure they are in the beacon also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,884 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    Hi all,

    I am 14 months post-hair transplant.

    I have used Fin + Min topical spray for the last 12 months. Quite happy with the results.

    I wish to come off Fin + Min spray. But worried that I will loose hair.

    Should I give it a try now? Any suggestions please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Unfortunately you need to maintain Fin for life... until something better is invented!



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    First time I've heard of Growclub, reviews look great I've just messaged them. Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭benny79


    finasteride is used to prevent prostate cancer as far as Im aware or treat it not cause it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    SWOG published the first PCPT results in 2003. Investigators reported a significant, positive result: finasteride reduced prostate cancer risk by 25 percent. But the study also cast a shadow on the drug, the first 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor which targets and blocks the action of androgens like testosterone and is commonly used to treat lower urinary tract problems in men and also male pattern baldness. The results showed that finasteride increased the number of high-grade prostate cancers – a finding that resulted in a drug label warning posted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. That warning persists to this day.


    https://www.swog.org/news-events/news/2019/01/23/final-verdict-finasteride#:~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20finasteride,warning%20persists%20to%20this%20day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    What I took from it was that it lowers risk of prostate cancer, but if you DO get it, it's higher grade cancer.

    3.5% of men taking Finasteride got the high grade cancer

    vs

    3% of men taking a placebo got high grade cancer


    0.5% difference... I like those odds ;)

    Wonder if there are studies on the topical variant of Finasteride



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭Jay Pentatonic


    I think Finasteride was originally used to treat an enlarged prostate, not necessarily prostate cancer.

    For what it's worth, I had a consultation at Dr. Nel's about 2 years ago and was told that whenever I'm getting my bloods/PSA levels checked by my GP I should mention that I'm on Finasteride. If you're on Finasteride it can lead to your PSA levels to appear lower than they actually are; so if your GP doesn't know you're on Finasteride then the signs of prostate cancer could be missed.

    I was told the general rule is to double your PSA level results if you're on Finasteride to get a more accurate representation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    Am I right in saying that Finasteride is for preventing future hair loss of the hairs you already have? So if you are bald on top already there is no need for it if getting a full transplant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Yes, and no. Taking Fin will prevent the transplanted hair from falling out too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Cw85


    How long is the transplanted hair expected to last with it? s in I'm 38 so if I got 30 years without taking Fin I would be more than happy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,884 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    Just ordered another 6 month supply of topical Finn and Min from Hims UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    what's the price for that, including delivery to Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,884 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    It was 150ish pounds. Plus another 20€ to get visa AddressPal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    or Thems ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,884 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    They don't have topical Fin + Min combo. And this combo helped me very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I didn’t notice that. Strange that they don’t offer topical fin by itself also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Considering trying the topical form of Fin for a while.

    I checked Sons and am I correct that they only offer the tablet form? The website doesn't appear to show what they sell unless you have an account


    Ideally I'd like to try just the topical fin, and keep doing the oral minox, but perhaps the only topical fin you can get is the one from Hims with minox included?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭Deadwards.com


    I think topical is only available from their .co.uk site and posted to a UK address. Hopefully becoming available in Ireland soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    but I'm not seeing it on Sons?

    I'm on their uk site


    EDIT: Ah sorry it's redirecting me.. I'll get my VPN up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    ok via vpn still showing up as just minox topical? Don't see fin on its own?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭Deadwards.com


    Sorry, yes I think they only do a min + fin combination spray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭suave.4u


    but this is a UK site. How to get Loniten and topical fin in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Why have I been bothering with Finasteride, when I should have been taking "Oral Tablet" all along. Finally, the ultimate hair loss cure is here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    As far as I can’t tell topical fin by itself is very difficult to find… though fin and minox combo spray seems to be widely available



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    I assume if taking the minoxidil and Fin topical I should stop minoxidil oral then too?

    Also I guess I'd need to use with a roller to get max penetration?

    I stopped using the roller as I found it was pulling out more hairs than I'd like.



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