Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

That was an example tbf. He'd a poor enough game in general.

I expected a bit more from him during his spell in the team, particularly in an attacking sense.

Pearce has, in general, always towed the club line, arguably being an unofficial mouthpiece for them, so it's interesting to see him writing this...

If he's to be a midfielder, he shouldn't be a 6 imo. Think he'd be better off playing further forward, in one of the two 8 positions, where he can dictate play a bit more and arrive at the edge if the box without his defensive shortcomings being so exposed.

Just gut feel rather than checking numbers, but we seem to be the first team for a new manager a ridiculous amount!

They're like 12:30 kick offs 🙈

Right side of midfield would be the best position for him I think, but we are overloaded with options in those positions.

My thinking though, if you push him fully into midfield does he get the space he currently gets in the RB inverted role?

He reminds me of Gerrard, Gerrard wanted to dictate play, play in the centre but he never had the discipline. He had the biggest impact as a second striker or from the right of midfield.

Trent is a generational talent, a conventional role doesn't fit his qualities.

Currently that’s exactly where he’s playing though. When we revert to the inverted set-up when in possession, you can see Trent sits deep with the 3 midfields just ahead of him. Mac takes a position more centrally and behind the 2 No.8’s for a short pass option for Trent, the others push wide for the diagonal pass option.

Its my pet peeve at the minute when people point out that MacAllister is getting caught out in the No.6 role and he’s not a natural there etc. That’s because he’s not actually playing in it!

But as Fulham did on Sunday and others before them, the space is at RB is getting greater and greater as Trent is not as enthusiastic as he was at the start about getting back into position. I think that’s secretly him making a point to Klopp about where he sees himself in this team in the long run.

The way we currently set-up, I don’t know what role a No.6 is going to play. As you suggested the only way it would work is if Trent plays as one of the No.8's. But I just can't see that happening myself.

All those general points taken.

I am not sure it explains his very poor delivery in the final third, getting the wrong side of people and giving away silly fouls.

Hopefully once this midweek is over it calms down for him and we can play chambers or someone for the final EL and next CC games. See if that makes a difference

There would be a mistake made in every goal. You can assess every little move of every defender to find where they screwed up in some way. Either someone did not commit a foul in the build-up, or stood off someone to allow them to pass/cross the ball or did not jump high or far enough to stop the goal being scored. The weird obsession on focusing on those mistakes is interesting to me (not saying you are, just a general observation🙂).

You get it with some players from all teams. There is always someone who screws up more than anyone else, even though a few other "mistakes" would have been made in the build up by the team that concedes. Look at how people are now starting to focus on Reece-James, suddenly questions are being asked about his defending as well.

A bit of a rant, someone like Carragher analyzing a goal irritates me, the way he points out where and who made the mistake according to him. I have no problem with those type of analysis but maybe it is the way he says it. It sometimes sounds like he never made a mistake so how can this defender make a mistake like that? That could be my bias as well, I don't mind him as a pundit, but just how he analyzes a goal sometimes and gets very critical of the defending. I would have thought he would understand that sometimes crap happens to a player, like scoring 2 own goals in a match?

most attacking full backs are easy to go past these days tbf.

IMO, when Trent was played a small bit deeper and told to get to the byline rather than come inside on the underlap (think 2018-2021 ish time period), he was a better individual. He was brilliant at intercepting the ball on the half way line and driving forwards. The Barca game for example, but that happened a good bit. It allowed Salah to play more central too.

But obviously the coaching team think that the actual team are better overall having him play more central as a RB (around 2021 ish -> ) and more central overall in his hybrid position.

Feels very unfortunate timing wise alright.

Vital we are solid, chances will come.

Can't wait.

Premier Sports 2

(They have Luton vs Arsenal and Wolves vs Burnley tonight, us and United vs Chelsea tomorrow, Spurs vs West Ham and Everton vs Newcastle Thurs)

Jota back running already on the field but not in team training,Allison is closer but obviously not ready for tomorrow night. Wonder is there a small chance he could be ready for the Palace game? He probably won't be risked anyway

My aim would be Alisson back for United and Jota back after Stephens Day to get some minutes before Salah heads off.

Matip is long term. Maybe season ending from the way Klopp spoke.

Yep, I agree. It'd be a shame if he doesn't feature again for the club.

Probably 9ne of our best ever free signings.

He creates a ridiculous amount, not sure how that can be 'over egged'.

He contributed hugely in the 3rd and 4th goal at the weekend.

If he didn't knock that header to Salah then Endo doesn't equalise.

If he doesn't show some serious endeavour and cross that rebound then no goal for TAA.

He is a cluster* *** in front of goals but those were serious contributions, regardless that they were pre-assists or whatever people are calling them now.

Have the Men in Black gotten to you? No way Liverpool buy a CB in January.

Similar to Agger,talented but just too injury prone

Yeah, sure let's be honest.

We didn't spend 80m to get someone who can't finish or who can just be a bit of a nuisance.

All you say is true but it would be even more impressive if he was a cheap signing or an academy player but I just sometimes feel we are moving the goalposts a bit on what the original expectations were on a marquee signing like that.

It's ok while we are winning and while we are doing well but I'd hope he can get himself to the stage where he can regularly score when Salah isn't around.

for the money we paid 25+ goals and 15+ assists. he won't even come close tho, im sick of hearing, "hes a rough diamond give him time" blah blah. "and he causes chaos" hes there 18 months ffs, ive a feeling we got ourselves a dud.

well he should be for 80 f**king million

If Sheffield United set up like I expect them to under Wilder (deep 5-3-2), Matip's line breaking runs will be a miss.

On the other hand, I would expect Gravenberch to miss out as his ball carrying runs are more into space closer to the opposition box and that space just might not be there. That's his big strength at the moment.

I think it was this game in 21-22 where Trent kind of started doing the inverting and played as a somewhat RCB in a back 3 in periods of the game.

Thought Luton were doing us a favour there.

It's the hope that kills you🤣

Liverpool get plenty of late goals so no complaints from me about 97-98 minutes. You keep going until it's over. Fair play to Arsenal. That was a huge win for them with City away to Villa.