General Irish politics discussion thread

SF are the ones with a history forcing a woman to come back to her job during maternity leave so if anyone needs to pull their heads out of their asses its them. Also Eamon wasn't going on a business trip he was representing the country at an international climate summit but you keep trying to spin that lie if it makes you feel better. The Dail doesn't need to shut down thus the idea of matching votes which is perfectly reasonable and SFs refusal to engage with the process which has existed at all levels of politics in the country for decades is cynical and petty.

He is representing the country at this event. Doesn't matter whether one agrees with him or not. It is for this reason I called him Minister Ryan. In other situations I would probably refer to him as Eamon Ryan.

No one said he should stay at home. But his decision to attend, come back snd then attend was his and his alone. He didn't have to come back, his vote wasn't needed and they woukd have known that we'll before. But instead they made a song and dance about it and never even bothered to find a pairing themselves. Eamonn clearly doesn't give that much of a **** about emissions from flights given that was his attitude towards the situation.

I'd say Mary Lou's corn flakes are salty this morning.......

I don't think that makes it a misstep, arguable it might be a good thing for them. I'd say for most people it just highlights how out touch FG are with reality and with whats happening in the Dublin city centre. Leo referencing Warrington, Enniskillen, et all seemed very strange to me.

Does Leo really think Urantsetseg Tserendorj cares that much about bombings that happened 30 years ago when his wife was stabbed to death 2 years ago?

Does Leo think the person in a coma after being assaulted two nights ago cares that much about it?

People in Dublin inner city are afraid of being murdered now while out in Dublin inner city, I don't think what happened 30 years ago is impacting their day to day life.

Culture doesn't appear overnight, it builds up over years. That is why places like Derry and West Belfast have the highest rates of domestic violence against women, because of a culture of violence built up, promulgated, promoted and defended by Sinn Fein and the PIRA. Pointing to that culture of violence and its acceptance within the party - look at the leading figures of Dessie Ellis and Angus O'Snodaigh down here and Gerry Kelly up there - is the responsibility of those who oppose Sinn Fein.

It isn't just governments who define culture, minorities can do so, and the minorities that have supported Sinn Fein for the last 30 years are attached to a culture of violence, of lawlessness, of rejection of the authority of the State. All of those are huge factors in what happened on that Thursday night to extremely relevant to point it out.

Did you read my post? Culture doesn't just come from government, it comes from parts of society. We know which political parties have promoted a culture of violence, we know what traditions have joined in, we know the areas of this island where violence has become a way of life.

If anyone is interested:

Tá

Fianna Fáil 35, Fine Gael 30, Green 10, Independents 8

Staon

Independents 1

Níl

Sinn Féin 35, Labour 7, PBP-S 5, Social Democrats 5, I4C 1, Independent 9, Aontú 1

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/vote/dail/33/2023-12-05/170/

Sorry if I got anything wrong

I did it after I made that post.

The issue is a law and order issue.

We all know Sinn Fein's past and the irony of them talking about law and order.

But it should be the Fine Gael backbenchers and party itself looking for McEntee to go. They are supposed to be the party of law and order and for many, the riot was a culmination of a breakdown in law and order under her watch.

I think many people in Dublin don't trust that she's the person to reduce crime and make the streets safe. She's a liability. While she's in office, people will stay away from town.

Was it bad in general like they seem to be or was it bad at a particular party ? I ask because I remember after the last election when the nominations for Taoiseach were being made, and Mary Lou McDonald was nominated, RBB made what I still think was an unnecessarily personal speech. He could have said it in a more parliamentary way. It’s why I’m convinced there’ll never be a government “of the left” because SF or whoever could never trust the PBP etc to not get the hump if things weren’t exactly as agreed.

Helen and FG caught misleading us again.

I’m not sure all is ok in SF tbh. Has there been a change in the leadership and decision making parts of the party?

It is both simplistic and reductionist to describe the scenes of that Thursday night as a law and order issue.

As I said there are deep cultural issues at play, many of the nasty, anti-establishment thuggery having been fostered over decades by political groups such as PBP and SF. It has effectively been harnessed more recently by right-wing groups, but without the work of the anti-establishment political parties over the previous decades, it wouldn't have happened.

Culture grows over decades.