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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years
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In a previous post, I mentioned how the HSCA investigation turned out to be a bit of a farce and a big cover-up by the CIA. One of the key figures in this farce was George Joannides, the CIA liaison to the HSCA. The CIA was initially helpful with HSCA by allowing them the opportunity to set up an office in Langley, Virginia, where they could review and access documents. There was an agreement between the HSCA and the CIA regarding non-disclosure, ensuring that sensitive information would not be disclosed to the public.
HSCA's collaboration with the CIA involved two clerks from the CIA who would provide them with documents for review and authorization. The documents were mainly reviewed and sanctioned by the CIA first before being handed over to the HSCA.
HSCA's investigation focused on given leads that implicated Bill Harvey and David Atlee Phillips, both CIA, who were alleged to be involved in the Kennedy conspiracy. In 1977, their efforts yielded promising results, indicating that the investigation was on track. However, things took a sinister turn in 1978. Scott Breckenridge, an attorney from the CIA's legal department, approached HSCA and informed them there would be a new point of contact within their organization. Breckenridge stated that his aim was to provide further assistance. It turned out to be a lie
The HSCA began encountering difficulties in obtaining documents when George took over. The documents were often redacted, leaving out crucial information. The request for different documents was denied. With the sudden obstructions and redactions, the cooperation between the HSCA and the CIA had deteriorated.
HSCA investigators, including Blakey as the chief counsel, have gone on record since the investigation ended to claim that the CIA terminated its cooperation because they could have found potentially damaging information. They contend that the CIA feared the revelation of sensitive information that could be explosive.
It is worth noting that the HSCA team was not aware of the CIA's operations in Miami until 2001. It was discovered that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was running an operation there that involved collaboration between the agency and anti-Cuban exiles. It was also revealed that this group, known as Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil (DRE), was the same group that had a confrontation with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans.
Carlos Bringuier, who was involved in the New Orleans incident, was a member of DRE. The HSCA investigators requested information regarding the identity of the CIA handler assigned to DRE, but they were not aware of the handler's presence throughout the duration of the investigation. The handler, however, was posing as a fellow investigator (our George) and observing the HSCA's activities.
Furthermore, leaked files have revealed that Joannides met Lee Harvey Oswald three weeks before the assassination. This raises serious questions about the CIA's actions and their deliberate obstruction of the investigations. More to this story, I leave here for now.
People on the side who believe Oswald acted alone often ignore information that does not fit with their narrative. The magic bullet theory, while seemingly promising when it was first suggested as the cause, is a clear hoax. What these magic bullet theorists have been claiming for years on YouTube and in books, and elsewhere is a lie.
They have been claiming for decades that the Carcano bullet that hit Connally on the right shoulder opened a 3cm wound. The image attached contains this false claim (entry wound)
The statement, "All based on a lie and fact, it still held up as evidence", is amazing to me. Dr Shaw, the surgeon who performed the operation on Governor Connally, stated to the Warren Commission and the HSCA that the bullet that hit Connally caused a 1.5-cm wound. He also added that the 3-cm wound was an enlargement procedure that he had made on the operating table.
The significance of this discrepancy lies in its impact on the lone gunman theory, which posits that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating President John F. Kennedy. If the bullet that hit Connally was indeed 1.5 cm long, it would indicate a second shot from Oswald that hit Connally, with the tip of the bullet penetrating his skin. The medical evidence that Dr. Shaw provided debunked the lone gunman theory and exposed a list of lone gunman supporters who concealed that information.
This is a long post already, so I'm sorry I couldn't discuss more.
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There’s no doubt a rifle bullet can go thru the two bodies- that is not the issue. The issue is the zig zag path thru Kennedy & the lack of damage to the bullet. For that bullet into his back to come out his throat, Kennedy would have to be lying flat face down, or a greater angle than that.
Look how fast each animation went showing the entry & alleged exit wound - speeding past this key detail in a split second, too fast to show any clarity, a common media obfuscation technique. They spend no time or effort matching up the photo upthread with this animation.
So again, this bullet did not enter any part of his neck -at all, see medical definition below- it entered his torso / back / shoulder. The Zig zag has nothing to do with Connolly. When Kennedy puts his hands up to his neck in Zaptruder he is sitting upright, not leaning forward like this drawing. The drawing is also anatomically false, deliberately merging the neck & shoulder into one.
Here is where the entrance wound on the neck would have to be to exit his adams apple, in my opinion – the upper X. The lower X is Kennedys wound.
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(1) The neck is the part of the body that separates the head from the torso. The neck supports the weight of the head and is highly flexible, allowing the head to turn and flex in different directions. (2) The torso or trunk is an anatomical term for the central part, or the core, of the body of many animals (including humans), from which the head, neck, limbs, tail and other appendages extend.
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Clearly, the debunkers do not understand much because they think it's copying and pasting now if you provide real information, as said by the HSCA. I am drawing from the HSCA timeline of events. He lied, stating that I copied and pasted from Wikipedia. However, I choose not to comment on this post any further, which is a waste of time.
The poster named Nal uploaded this image last year or at the start of this year when making an argument. The image depicted a sequence of events related to the infamous "magic bullet" When I confronted him about the discrepancy in the reported size of the wound, he became indignant.
The well-known debunker's strategy of misdirection won't work on me.
The bullet is tumbling end over end, resulting in a 3 cm shoulder wound they claim. To further reinforce this, the image even mentions that the length of the Carcano bullet precisely matched the wound.
A bullet entering a person is more likely to be tumbling or wobbling when it exits the body rather than yawing. This is the result of the bullet's interaction with the soft tissues of the target. A bullet that yaws, typically only happens when the bullet leaves the barrel of the rifle and is on its way to the target.
The argument that a bullet with a 3-centimeter sideway motion can be fitted into a 1.5-centimeter hole without widening it is not supported by the evidence. Medical findings confirm that the rear bullet had a clear path and hit Connally's shoulder, resulting in a 1.5 cm wound.
The wound was caused by the bullet's nose part striking Connally's skin.
Nal has consistently challenged his own theory by uploading more videos that clearly demonstrate a tumbling bullet leaving a jelly-like substance and hitting the wall sideways.
The man on the video produces an unfired Carcano bullet and measures it against the hole made in the wall.
In summary, the bullet exits and tumbles, causing it to travel in a sideways direction. This leads to the likelihood of creating a hole that is 3cm in length. It is important to highlight that none of these lone gunman theorists have reviewed the Connally medical evidence. This oversight is glaring, as none of them seem to have noticed that Governor Connally's wound was too small for a sideways hit.
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Dr. Shaw's analysis and evidence clearly demonstrate the failure of the magic bullet theory. The wounds sustained by President Kennedy were caused by other bullets, and the exact trajectory of those bullets remains a subject of debate. Additionally, evidence shows that Governor Connally was hit by a bullet that did not even touch President Kennedy.
If Oswald was indeed the shooter, it is highly likely that he fired a bullet that hit Connally in the right shoulder. Additionally, another bullet from Oswald's gun struck Kennedy in the back. Another bullet, possibly from the front, hit the throat area. Lastly, another bullet, either from the grassy knoll or the underpass, struck Kennedy in the head.
I fully agree with you that there may have been multiple teams of shooters involved in the Dallas shooting. I cannot rule out the possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was a member of one of these teams, in the rear.. Somebody was shooting from there.
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In my view, this video is an incorrect depiction for the same reason as the previous two.
Here is partial chronology of initial medical thoughts relevant to the shoulder wound, of course familiar to all on here:-
[X-rays] In as much as no complete bullet of any size could be located in the brain area and likewise no bullet could be located in the back or any other area of the body as determined by total body X-Rays and inspection revealing there was no point of exit, the individuals performing the autopsy were at a loss to explain why they could find no bullets.
During the latter stages of this autopy, Dr. Humes located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right of the middle line of the spinal column.
This opening was probed by Dr. Humes with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance travelled by this missile was a short distance in as much as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger.
Immediately following receipt of this information [bullet found on stretcher], this was made available to Dr. Humes who advised that in his opinion this accounted for no bullet being located which had entered the back region and that since external cardiac massage had been performed at Parkland Hospital, it was entirely possible that through such movement the bullet had worked its way back out of the point of entry and had fallen on the stretcher. On the basis of the latter two developments, Dr. Humes stated that the pattern was clear that the one bullet had entered the President’s back and had worked its way out of the body during external cardiac massage and that a second high velocity bullet had entered the rear of the skull and had fragmentized prior to exit through the top of the skull.
[Later, throat wound] But now, James Humes faced a serious dilemma. He and his colleagues had failed to include one of Kennedy's wounds in their autopsy findings. Dr. Perry's description of the wound as very small and round sounded like the description of an entrance wound. But with no exit wounds anywhere in the body and no bullets found still in the body, Humes was puzzled. It appeared that both the ullets that entered the president's back and the one that entered his throat had not exited, yet had somehow disappeared.
After thinking about this, Dr. Humes telephoned Dr. Perry again to obtain a more precise description of the throat wound. During their conversation, Humes had a sudden inspiration and shouted, "so that's it!" He went home, attended a school function with his son, and slept for several hours. Then he took his original autopsy notes, stained with John Kennedy's blood, and burned them in his fireplace 😱
Then he drew up a new autopsy protocol based on the new information he had gleaned from Dr. Perry. The new report stated that a bullet had entered Kennedy's neck and exited from his throat. Even though there was only slight medical evidence to confirm this, Dr. Humes concluded that it provided the only reasonable explanation for the wounds in Kennedy's body.
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To summarise, Humes initially thought the shoulder bullet fell back out of its entrance wound, but later went along with repurposing the shoulder bullet by referring to it as ‘the (back of) neck bullet’.
Contrary to the obfuscation from Humes, WC, HSCA & media depictions, this is what joining the two wounds implies for approximate trajectory and angle required (for someone sitting upright ).
Since the entrance angle was downward (45-60 degrees), even granting a significant ricochet off a bone (maybe not impossible) the exit trajectory would then have to be approximately the upward angle as in the diagram, meaning it is impossible for this repurposed shoulder bullet to be the one that continued on to hit Connolly (the MB).
This is one of the reasons why regardless of any other aspect of the assassination people are expected to look at the Naval hospital autopsy shoulder wound and despite the evidence of their eyes accept that ‘yes that wound is in his neck’. This entire framing is not reality based.
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That diagram doesnt account for the step hill on Elm Street. Its highly unlikely (pretty much impossible) that a bullet from a high powered rifle would only lodge shallow enough for it to fall out with a a bit of massaging.
This is the only trajectory that makes sense, for both shots.
Physically impossible the head shot came from the front. Aside from the fact theres clearly no one behind the fence.
If you want to do a real deep dive have a read of this
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I’d agree with this alleged angle & trajectory. This drawing is more or less anatomically correct in that it shows that, for a bullet to exit the throat below the AA it has to enter the back of the neck at a point above this alleged exit. As is known there is no wound at the back of Kennedys neck at this point or any part of his neck.
The lone gunman story is what is strait-jacketed & contorted beyond belief. When that is dropped, everything gets very straightforward.
The shoulder wound could be a splinter from other bullets (that hit other objects or the car). There could have been two shooter teams on two different floors of the TSBD & one in the Knoll. All the bullets in the car & Dealey Plaza were picked up; some were recorded in evidence, some were not because they show multiple marksmen. At least one not found bullet was later ‘found’ to fit in with the evolving cover storey (i.e. the scene had been cleaned too much). The front windscreen was taken out & replaced at Parklands & the whole car was stripped of all evidence & a new interior put in straight after this etc.
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People with Lee who are unidentified: Why aren't they found here?
You have no interest in learning why they are not found here.
Lee and his accomplices messed up big time. The addresses on the flyers they distributed were changed, and the reason for that is quite clear.
Oswald was operating out of 554 Camp Street. As a result, the address had to be changed ( too much exposure)
Oswald seemingly had enough money to cover the cost of printing and renting places, which has never been adequately explained. This raises questions about his source of funding, as it is not readily apparent how he could afford these expenses.
Jones Company printed a third flyer for Oswald, allegedly, but there is no evidence that those two flyers were printed by the this company before. I am open to being mistaken, provide your sources on that.
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