Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

It's ironic that by getting a carte blanche from a number of countries they are actually destroying those Western values, not saving them.

Ah so the mask has slipped.

Nope - it is not merely 'purported'. No tangible evidence? This has been seen by the BBC.

And I don't know why you have to resort to "on Jews" - those attacked on October 7th were not just Jews, not just Israelis.

The BBC has seen this footage. Are you calling the BBC liars?

You can't "see" this for what it is? but of course you have different standards when it comes to citing atrocities against Israel.

Videos filmed by Hamas include footage of one woman, handcuffed and taken hostage with cuts to her arms and a large patch of blood staining the seat of her trousers. In others, women carried away by the fighters appear to be naked or semi-clothed. Multiple photographs from the sites after the attack show the bodies of women naked from the waist down, or with their underwear ripped to one side, legs splayed, with signs of trauma to their genitals and legs.

If you are denying sexual assault took place after BBC reporting such footage, that is atrocity denial. Plain and simple. And an apologia for rape which serves to exculpate rapists by obfuscating their crimes and atrocities.

He's the Irish President (unfortunately). It's like when Unionists refer to the Dublin Government instead of the Irish Government.

"Israel are trying to justify atrocities on Palestinians that we can see, with purported crimes on Jews for which there is no tangible evidence."

What an absolutely appalling thing to say.

The US would and has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. The UK and France were instrumental in the overthrow of Gadhafi in Libya and that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people and displacement of millions across the region. You don't have to press the button or pull the trigger to be responsible for the bloodshed.

Explain that one to me please.

Very true.

Ah, the old "special military operation" whitewash. I think we might have seen that before. Isn't it handy when you can make up and change definitions to suit your own purpose and then blatantly gaslight like the Israelis do

That's a link to the virulently antisemitic UN from September. Given the date, it is probably safe to assume it was a sister site of Waterford Whispers. Because time only began on 7th Oct.

the deaths of the innocents are appalling. hamas in gaza should release the hostages immediately and surrender or fight to avoid any more civilian deaths. hamas must know israel cannot allow them, hamas to be neighbours in gaza ever again.

If that is true - not gonna lie, I am curious as to whats changed and why now?

It is.

We are neutral in the face of evil and we think that's a morally virtuous position to take so morality is a movable feast.

Genocide; he deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Israel is behaving appallingly but they are a long way from genocide, despite the hyperbole to the contrary. Incidentally the nonsense from the Israeli Prime Minister about fighting for Western Values is also complete hyperbole.

The Internet and Social Media have undermined trust in the ideals of the West way more than the Iraq War. It's nonsense to suggest that it is a key event in the rise of the Far Right. The same vacuous idiots are just as likely to be drawn to the Far Left which is equally dangerous.

Rape is appalling no matter who does it. It's appalling when Hamas does it to innocent Israelis, and it's also appalling when IDF and Israeli security forces, and zionist and settler militia who operate with impunity and often rape and sexually degrade Palestinian women, of which there have been many credible allegations going back years

This story was from the month prior to October 7th

The policy of degrading and sexually abusing palestinian women is not new, having been a deliberate policy going back to the Nakba in 1947

I'm sure you'll agree, rape by Israeli forces and militia is just as horrific and wrong as rapes committed by Islamic militia operating in Hamas.

But apart from Rape, the IDF have been guilty of ongoing violations of international law going back decades. They cannot complain about Hamas war crimes while they refuse to even acknowledge the jurisdiction of the Hague on the sole basis that breaching those conventions is such a routine part of their SOPs that they know their own officials would be arrested and convicted if they ratified those treaties.

There were plenty of war crimes committed by Israel prior to the 7th of October. Collective punishment is a war crime. Israel engages in this routinely against the Palestinian people.

The IDF has been found on many many occasions to be using Palestinian children as Human shields (eg) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/23/gaza-human-shields-claim

The use of White Phosphorus as an incendiary weapon in areas populated by civilians is a clear war crime that the IDF are denying based on a technicality (that they were using the weapon as a smoke shield and that the appalling burns and excruciating deaths it causes were an unintended consequence) They even used WP to directly attack Schools and UN buildings that were clearly marked and identified as neutral and non combatant areas https://web.archive.org/web/20110511023004/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5575070.ece

Every time Israel decides to bomb Gaza or the West bank, inevitably they kill civilians vs combatants at a ratio of 10:1, and they routinely bomb ambulances, civilian buildings and the media. Not just in this 'war' but in all of the multitude of bombing campaigns Israel has waged against the Palestinians over the past number of decades.

Plus, the hundreds of Palestinians who are interned without any trial for lengthy periods of time, the blockades that restrict access to medicines, and medical treatments, the forced expulsion of Palestinians from land which is then annexed by Israeli settlers...

The list goes on and on and on and on and on.