Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Other than Fox and some of the Sky News Channels the media is overwhelmingly left wing. In this country RTE are like the broadcasting wing of the Trade Unions and the Irish Times is not far behind them. If the media is right wing then who is doing the massive criticism of Von Der Leyen?

So paying pensions is the same as bombing? Okayyyyyy

Did you know that in 1948 the UN sent a negotiator over to negotiate between the jewish and arab groups and the jewish groups assassinated him?

The claim was the Israel was formed peacefully, I pointed out that there had been an insurrection for years and it was even going on whilst the UN was making its decisions. So yes, the country was formed from violence.

What's crazy is that people need to try and rwrite history to support "Their side".

As you did politely ask: “Please”.  The Israelis are the star-bellied sneetchers.

It’s so simple a child can understand it.

It’s about racism: 

https://bowmanatbrooks.weebly.com/uploads/8/3/8/3/8383240/the-sneetches.pdf

Enjoy your lesson !!  I feel si much better after reading that really... really... appalling post from a landlord on another site dismissing deceased Palestinian children.  One 8 year-old Palestinian boy (Adam Al-Ghoul) was shot in the head for throwing stones. 

Good old Dr. Seuss... I still don't get your point. What double standard am I guilty of?

"From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" is a call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews living therein. That's a bit genocidal in intent.

Killing 20,000 people is wrong and morally reprehensible but it isn't genocide. There's a half a million active service men and women in the IDF. They have around a thousand main battle tanks and the 9th most powerful Airforce in the world. If Israel wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they'd all be dead weeks ago. That's not a position on the moral values of Israel, it's just a statement of fact.

Wait, they can't flood the tunnels if they don't exist 🙄 oh but now they do exist the narrative has shifted to "but what about the hostages down there". Israel can do no right with some people.

Btw the remaining hostages that Hamas are refusing to give up consist of the young women taken from the festival and captured soldiers and men. I dread to think what condition they are in. Unfortunately I don't think there's any way hamas will return them because I don't think the likes of even the most dedicated on here would be able to spin it as them being "treated well".

I don't remember Patrick Pearse sending out volunteers to rape at will, and to mutilate babies and children, do you?

So nope, more similar to Mein Kampf and Judenrein.

We saw on October 7th what fate would befall Jews left to the tender mercies of a free Palestine without the protection of the state of Israel.

Grand. So we've narrowed it down now. A chant of "from the river to the sea" is only genocidal if it happens in a country that is under Sharia Law.

(Given that those countries don't tend to speak English, it would appear you scored an own goal there!)

Again with the little added on non sequiturs.

The claim is that the chant is genocidal. It is an English language chant and so would be being heard in countries which likely aren't sending out volunteers to rape at will.

The only murdering of babies happening at the minute are the thousands and thousands being killed in the Gaza strip. Or as many of ye on here like to delude yourself "the imaginary ones that Hamas makes up, and even if they didn't sure they don't count anyway"

Dozens of public on the record statements from Israels leaders stating the intent to commit genocide of the Palestinian people, also note that complicity in genocide is a crime also and can be punished. Anyone denying intent has been shown and has been carried out is totally delusional

@Akrasia, ^^^ Brilliant post above (#23125 06-12-2023 10:21pm). Thank you.

WARNING: DISTRESSING CONTENT

Watch video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSocrm2q4zY

'Phosphorus used in Gaza, British-Palestinian doctor says | Israel-Hamas war’

MY NOTES:

Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah said:

…. “During my time at Al Shifa hospital, it became apparent that 40-45% of all the wounded were going to be children. ….

Starry: White phosphorous:

“As time went (on), we saw the introduction of incendiary bombs where the patients would have over 40% of their total surface body area burnt with no other injury. And by the time Al Shifa collapsed there were over a hundred of these patients at Al Shifa hospital. And we started seeing phosphorous burns. ….

“…. As a chemical burn, white phosphorous burns right through to the inner core of the body and only stops when they have no exposure to oxygen. …

[Starry: ^ White phosphorous burns and goes right through you - it won’t stop burning. It was created to burn everything... animals, buildings... everything]

...

Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah continues:

“My estimate is that there are between 700-900 children with amputations of limbs. On some of whom there are multiple amputations. …. [Scroll to: 5:45 / 22:36]

Al Oud Hospital where he moved.  On the third day he witnessed a phone call from the Israeli army to the director of the hospital.  The director was informed that unless he evacuates the hospital within two hours, the hospital was going to be targeted.  Of course that was not going to be possible.  …. There were too many patients that were too difficult to move.

‘Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital in ruins after Israeli raid, days-long siege’

‘Nurses recall horror of Israeli raid, interrogations, saying troops beat and humiliated them as they refused to leave patients behind.’

By Al Jazeera Staff

Published On 25 Nov 202325 Nov 2023

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/25/gazas-indonesian-hospital-in-ruins-after-israeli-raid-days-long-siege

“We had 25 people with broken pelvises who couldn’t be moved. They blew up this entrance, they shot the patients inside. They searched us one by one and scanned everyone’s faces. I told them I’m a nurse,” the male nurse from the emergency department told Al Jazeera.:

Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah moved back to Al Shifa Hospital. I stopped the video around 7:00 / 22:36.

You have no "argument" other than head-in-the-sand blindly parroting Zionist propaganda. God knows why. Perhaps you don't like Palestinians or Muslims and you are happy to see another "team" reduce their numbers by whatever means necessary (There are Christian Palestinians too btw)

You should try reading the post again. I don't know whether it is a lack of comprehension skills or just stubbornness and pretending you don't understand. You tried to claim that the chant (which is in English) is genocide because people chanting it sent others to rape and murder on 7th. I merely called out your lies. The people who sent out the fighters on 7th Oct are not in English speaking countries. Most are in Gaza. If there are people chanting it outside the GPO, then it isn't plausible that any of them sent out anyone else on 7th Oct to do anything other than maybe sending their kid out to get milk in Tesco.

The attempted gaslighting is mental. Those calling for freedom from oppression for Palestinians are declared to be genocide, and those calling for Israel not to be hitting UN schools full of kids with airstrikes are declared to be anti-semitic and rape deniers. It's mental.

People calling for the freedom of Palestine are no more genocidal than Patrick Pearse or anyone else calling for the freedom of Ireland. Them's the facts! If pointing that out exposes an uncomfortable hypocrisy for some, then so be it

They aren't just calling for the freedom of some notional Palestinian state but the destruction of the state of Israel. That means genocide to Jews. A preview of such a fate was given by Hamas on October 7th.

So does that mean you are here "blindly parroting Hamas propaganda".

"God knows why. Perhaps you don't like Jews and you are happy to see another "team" reduce their numbers by whatever means necessary."

The word phrasings above are taken directly from your post - shows how easy it is to make a prejudicial bad faith argument against another poster doesn't it?

Since October 7th, I'd say that Israel has killed more "Jews" than Hamas. If that is your concern