Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Dozens of public on the record statements from Israels leaders stating the intent to commit genocide of the Palestinian people, also note that complicity in genocide is a crime also and can be punished. Anyone denying intent has been shown and has been carried out is totally delusional

@Akrasia, ^^^ Brilliant post above (#23125 06-12-2023 10:21pm). Thank you.

WARNING: DISTRESSING CONTENT

Watch video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSocrm2q4zY

'Phosphorus used in Gaza, British-Palestinian doctor says | Israel-Hamas war’

MY NOTES:

Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah said:

…. “During my time at Al Shifa hospital, it became apparent that 40-45% of all the wounded were going to be children. ….

Starry: White phosphorous:

“As time went (on), we saw the introduction of incendiary bombs where the patients would have over 40% of their total surface body area burnt with no other injury. And by the time Al Shifa collapsed there were over a hundred of these patients at Al Shifa hospital. And we started seeing phosphorous burns. ….

“…. As a chemical burn, white phosphorous burns right through to the inner core of the body and only stops when they have no exposure to oxygen. …

[Starry: ^ White phosphorous burns and goes right through you - it won’t stop burning. It was created to burn everything... animals, buildings... everything]

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Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah continues:

“My estimate is that there are between 700-900 children with amputations of limbs. On some of whom there are multiple amputations. …. [Scroll to: 5:45 / 22:36]

Al Oud Hospital where he moved.  On the third day he witnessed a phone call from the Israeli army to the director of the hospital.  The director was informed that unless he evacuates the hospital within two hours, the hospital was going to be targeted.  Of course that was not going to be possible.  …. There were too many patients that were too difficult to move.

‘Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital in ruins after Israeli raid, days-long siege’

‘Nurses recall horror of Israeli raid, interrogations, saying troops beat and humiliated them as they refused to leave patients behind.’

By Al Jazeera Staff

Published On 25 Nov 202325 Nov 2023

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/25/gazas-indonesian-hospital-in-ruins-after-israeli-raid-days-long-siege

“We had 25 people with broken pelvises who couldn’t be moved. They blew up this entrance, they shot the patients inside. They searched us one by one and scanned everyone’s faces. I told them I’m a nurse,” the male nurse from the emergency department told Al Jazeera.:

Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah moved back to Al Shifa Hospital. I stopped the video around 7:00 / 22:36.

You have no "argument" other than head-in-the-sand blindly parroting Zionist propaganda. God knows why. Perhaps you don't like Palestinians or Muslims and you are happy to see another "team" reduce their numbers by whatever means necessary (There are Christian Palestinians too btw)

You should try reading the post again. I don't know whether it is a lack of comprehension skills or just stubbornness and pretending you don't understand. You tried to claim that the chant (which is in English) is genocide because people chanting it sent others to rape and murder on 7th. I merely called out your lies. The people who sent out the fighters on 7th Oct are not in English speaking countries. Most are in Gaza. If there are people chanting it outside the GPO, then it isn't plausible that any of them sent out anyone else on 7th Oct to do anything other than maybe sending their kid out to get milk in Tesco.

The attempted gaslighting is mental. Those calling for freedom from oppression for Palestinians are declared to be genocide, and those calling for Israel not to be hitting UN schools full of kids with airstrikes are declared to be anti-semitic and rape deniers. It's mental.

People calling for the freedom of Palestine are no more genocidal than Patrick Pearse or anyone else calling for the freedom of Ireland. Them's the facts! If pointing that out exposes an uncomfortable hypocrisy for some, then so be it

They aren't just calling for the freedom of some notional Palestinian state but the destruction of the state of Israel. That means genocide to Jews. A preview of such a fate was given by Hamas on October 7th.

So does that mean you are here "blindly parroting Hamas propaganda".

"God knows why. Perhaps you don't like Jews and you are happy to see another "team" reduce their numbers by whatever means necessary."

The word phrasings above are taken directly from your post - shows how easy it is to make a prejudicial bad faith argument against another poster doesn't it?

Since October 7th, I'd say that Israel has killed more "Jews" than Hamas. If that is your concern

Are you becoming an avid fan of Israel then?

"The far left is not equally dangerous to the far right. It isn't even remotely close. I'm not on the far left by the way."

The tens of millions of people killed by Communist regimes in Russia, Cambodia, North Korea, China and Ukraine etc would suggest otherwise. Any fundamentalist belief system that seeks to impose those beliefs through violence and coercion is equally dangerous. In the last few hundred years those belief systems have included Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, National Socialism (right wing totalitarianism) and Communism (left wing totalitarianism). By any measure Communism wins the contest for the highest body count with somewhere between 100 and 150 million deaths caused in the last century.

The fundamentalists in Israel are indeed as bad as the fundamentalists in Gaza. Both believe that they have a mandate from heaven (from their respective makey-up invisible friends) to exterminate the other. Both of their holy books give licence to commit mass murder. The civil institutions in Israel and a slight minority of the electorate are the only thing holding back the nutters there. Unfortunately what is happening in Gaza is on a smaller scale to what has happened in Sudan, Yemen, Syria and Ethiopia in recent years so it's not unique to this conflict. That's not to say that there isn't a sizable minority in Israel who would like to see the ethnic cleansing of both Gaza and the West Bank. I don't think that's in dispute. I strongly suspect that Netanyahu is part of that group. I think he's a vile human being.

If Hamas give up all the hostages a ceasefire becomes only a matter of short time.

They will not allow that to happen.

The BBC, Channel 4, the Guardian and the Financial Times are all left wing. I don't read the Tabloids but I presume that they are maintaining their usual right wing stance with a strong whiff of xenophobia, racism and imperialism.

CNN are left wing. Fox is a joke. I honestly thought it was a comedy skit show the first time I saw it. The New York Times is generally strongly left wing but would have strong pro-Jewish leanings.

The Irish media is very left wing.

No, I know the story and understood it etc. I just don't see how it furthers your contention.

What leads you to form that opinion?

Is it my criticism of Israel and intense dislike of their Prime Minister?

Is it my opinion that what's going on in the West Bank is ethnic cleansing?

Is it my dislike of and contempt for religion?

Is it by opinion that the current military campaign by Israel in Gaza will damage Israel's long term security and weaken it politically?

Is it my dislike of Fox?

...or does stating the fact that the vile and evil ideology of Communism has killed well over 100,000,000 people and my view that Hamas are an evil terrorist organisation who would actually commit genocide in a heartbeat if they got the chance make me a supporter of online right wing American sources?

Yes, it doesn't make any sense. But that is what you said. I'm merely applying the same logic

You put forward that Padraig Pearse calling for Ireland to be free was not genocidal because he didn't live in a Sharia state. Surely it follows then that a person standing outside the GPO and calling for Palestine to be free is similarly not in a Sharia state and therefore similarly not genocidal? Or is the being in a Sharia state actually irrelevant? If so, then why did you try to use it?

I don't think either is genocidal. Both are merely expressions of desire that respective peoples are free from oppression.