Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The existential threat predates October 7th and has nothing to do with Israel. First they will destroy Israel, then they will come for the West.

Did you even read the article you linked, beyond the headline? It says exactly what I did. No official source said "40 babies were beheaded" just that 40 were killed and some were beheaded. It was a conflation of 2 things which is now being used as some sort of gotcha to show that none of it happened.

I don't think "it's ok to rip arms off babies". Not sure where you're getting that from. Please quote where I have said anything remotely resembling such a statement

Ah be fair. If someone is all in on the Hamas propganda train they'll need to be extremely adaptable to keep up with all the contradictions as lie after lie is uncovered and the scramble to deny and retcon that the original lie never happened despite everyone having seen it.

You may want to ask architects Gershon Zippor and Benjamin Idelson from Tel Aviv about these tunnels.

I watched a doc about him that Al Jazerra did. He managed to negotiate the release of 30k prisioners from german concentration camps, and 10k of them were jewish. And his assassin later became Ben-Gurions bodyguard.

He should have been recognised by israel as one of the righteous among nations. Those people who helped jewish people during the Holocaust. But instead he was murdered just after he arrived in Palestine and was never awarded that status because he was a neutral negotiator.

If thats what makes ye happy.

Wow, not during the Rwandan genocide, not when a third of a million people were killed in Yemen, not when 600,000 people were being killed in Ethiopia, not when 600,000 people were killed and 12 million forcibly displaced in Syria, not when Russia invaded Ukraine an internally and externally displaced 14 million people and killed thousands and, finally, in the biggest war since the Second World War, not when 6 million people have been killed and 7 million displaced in the Congo... and that's only recently. No, the UN wades in on this one. Well done lads. What a great show of moral impartiality.

No they don't.

Anyway, lots of people make promises that they later break. We can all list doctors that have done bad things, just as we can all list solicitors and plumbers and teachers and priests and civil servants who have done bad things. The notion that a group of people is somehow more ethical than another group of people simply because of the job they choose to do is ridiculous. The notion that calling out an individual because of their behaviour blackens everyone who chooses to do the same job is also nonsense.

Yep - We shouldn't take the word of doctors.

You literally just said "I have no problem questioning any person..."

Any person... regardless of whether they are a doctor or not.

And in earlier posts you listed multiple reasons why we shouldn't take the word of doctors as 'gospel'.

You are just proving their point and are arguing against yourself now and have to resort to whataboutery.

No, I understood. It's just that it doesn't address the question I asked or further your argument in any way.

I think you're right. he really is a loathsome person.

Yep. The hostages are only one part. He needs to insure that there's no danger of further attacks. And for him, and apparently the majority of the Israeli population, that means the complete destruction of hamas. I think it's also coupled with a belief that if they hammer the people of gaza hard enough, it will break their will and prevent hamas regaining strength. That's a crazy idea to me. There's so many dead and probably tens of thousands maimed. Even if the population of gaza hated Hamas, this onslaught will just radacalise so many more.

We've seen what it looks like here in Ireland. Events like bloody sunday managed to kill a peaceful civil right movement and drove support to the IRA. Even if Israel kills every single member of hamas, a new armed resistance movement will arise because of the pain and suffering that's being inflicted on the people of Gaza.

“the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy”.