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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,635 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Again, none of what you think or what may be suggested trumps employment law.

    If you want exclusivity on X, Y, Z you express it specifically contractually.

    If she is a contractor she is really no different to a plumber.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Referenda are the means to amend the constitution, which in the bedrock upon which legislation is built. There’s nothing in the constitution about RTE - nor should there be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,635 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Has Tubs got a gig with McDonald's...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So they don't ever suggest what I am suggesting they suggest :/

    I'd say they specifically state their highly paid contractors are allowed certain leeway with sponsorship deals.

    If she is she might want to go do some plumbing around by TodayFM!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    We have had plebiscites on City Mayors. they are not binding plebiscites but they have taken place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,635 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They can suggest what they want.

    If they want something adhered to they put it in a contract which the other party has to agree to.

    Contracts are not infallible they also have to adhere to Irish Employment Law.

    IF this sort of fluff annoys I suggest you stop reading and sharing the likes of Evoke, it really is gutter tabloid buffoonery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Ah Boggles I don't know why you want to defend these people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,635 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Pointing out employment law is not defending anyone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,221 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Highlighting the cost of the ring just makes it obvious he didn't pay for it 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think RTÉ need a hand with that also. So perhaps you should email them on the issue that they have with SCOPE and the Department of Social Protection.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,635 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why would I?

    I don't work for RTE if there is a problem with employment law that is up to the employees and unions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    An excellent example of the good use of a glorified survey. Complex questions of corporate governance are, of course, a very different matter.

    Look, we all know this is an "internet discussion" - one that has no, and will never have, any bearing on real life. But let's pretend for a minute that there was either the public appetite or political necessity for such a tax-payer funded opinion poll, and that a Government were stupid enough to abide by the result. What would the question be?

    Should Raidió Teilifís Éireann be abolished?


    🬀 TÁ/YES

    🬀 NÍL/NO

    Imagine the mess if either side won? If No wins, the Government can claim that they have a mandate for business as usual. If Yes wins, we're left with a black hole in our public service broadcasting duties, and nothing to fill it.

    Complicate matters like that should never be put to a simple yes/no vote.

    How the Tory party (mis)handled Brexit should be a cautionary tale, not a template for further ineptitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    We in Ireland take votes on Europe all the time. I wouldn't put it like that.

    The future of RTÉ as Ireland National Public Service Broadcasting


    🬀 Raidió Teilifís Éireann should be abolished and replaced by a new Public Service Broadcaster

    🬀 Raidió Teilifís Éireann No Change

    🬀 Raidió Teilifís Éireann split among other semi-state bodies (such as TG4, Screen Ireland, 2RN as outlined by the Government)


    Followed by

    Future of Public Service Broadcasting Funding


    🬀 Funding of public service broadcasting should come from the exchequer

    🬀 No Change/ TV Licence Fee / An Post

    🬀 Funding should come from tax on telecommunications and on-demand services.

    Followed by

    Administration of Public Service Broadcasting Funding


    🬀 CnaM / ComReg set funding, the decision based on Market, Independently from government.

    🬀 No Change/ Minister and Department along with input from the CnaM

    🬀 Full Government Control*


    You rate the options 1, 2 and 3.

    I don't think it should happen, but it could happen.



    *I am being facetious and also looking for a 3rd option, you'll note that I haven't asked for the full abolition of RTÉ or the Licence Fee.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Talk about complicated! Could you imagine the absolute mess if the result was

    1. B
    2. A
    3. C

    I note that you don't think it should happen, and I think you have illustrated why very well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So you know its complicated subject but you don't want a complicated non-binding pleblicite ?

    Can you imagine if people thought about it and the result was

    1. C
    2. C
    3. A

    Now would that make for an interesting set of Public Service Broadcasters!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    But this is the issue. You can't just plan for (what you see as) the best possible outcome. You have to take the complexities into account, and the very strong likelihood that it won't go your way. This was exactly David Cameron's failing.

    And no, a complicated non-binding plebiscite is a total waste of time and money. I thought the aim of all of this was to be more efficient with public revenue and resources?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Well first I knew you'd pick on the worst option, Full Government Control of Funding, no matter how I said it was just put in as a third option.

    The format of the plebiscite looks for some change or no change, not out right abolition.

    We are currently on the same course as we have been for the last 15 years. And a major part of that is not the funding but the mismanagement of RTÉ. I don't believe that they can honestly bring RTÉ around in the next few years. Even if you fund them correctly I believe they will continue to be as bad as ever.

    By the way if such a plebiscite did occur and you agree with the currently direction you'd vote BBB.

    Do you honestly believe that we should just give €300m in tax funding to RTÉ in 2024?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    But you have to consider the worst option. You really have to, because you really need to be prepared for it to come to pass. I don't want to keep mentioning Brexit, but... Brexit!

    And why are you (conceptually) disenfranchising those who want RTE totally abolished? I, like you, are fine with turning a blind eye to such cranks - but could a Government really invoke a poll like this and omit the choice, and still claim any legitimacy?

    Look, we both know that this isn't going to happen. It was an off-the cuff comment by another poster, it's not a realistic suggestion. Like the whole thing about Conor McGregor becoming President (he, by the way, was recently promising "votes every week", even though the President has no such power).

    There's absolutely no need, and definitely no public appetite, for a referendum - or even a non-binding plebiscite - on RTE. This is an argument about angels dancing on pinheads.

    We have a solid mechanism for legislative and policy change already that does not expose us to the dangers of the tyranny of the majority - though the tried and tested method of representative parliamentary democracy. Find the individual or party that has a vision for RTE that you agree with, vote for them in the next General Election, and encourage others to vote for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Of the options that I gave you which of them is the worst? Bar the facetious one? You put forward a straight forward plebiscite with the idea that such a plebiscite must be binary.

    Why would it be legitimate? because getting rid of PSBing is not something than any of the currently political parties want or are even considering. Should a party get enough votes to enter the dail, and not just one single TD, then it would be up to them to push forward with there ideas.

    Legitimacy because the question was never about the funding or about existence of public service broadcasting but making it better.

    So can you tell me other than continuing, what the current or future plans for PSBing are? Because while all of the parties agree with PSBing they don't seem to know what to do or even have a legitimate pre-election proposal for broadcasting.

    Also your arguments against plebiscites could be attached to any political position that you don't particularly like.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,765 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Correct and right, why should some gloamer use their profile on the national broadcaster, paid for by John Q Taxpayer, to top up his or her wedge?

    If you want the publicity pay for it yourself, you ligger. Time to take the gloves off here Kev.

    Unbelievable Geoff..





  • Joe Duffy/Liveline quite frequently embeds free advertising on the “caller driven” radio show, where some are facilitated advertising lasting 15 minutes or a lot more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    One could argue that she is largely in the position to be in promotions through her association with RTE. This is why such work can be prohibited in contracts as the talent is essentially competing with the employer for advertising contracts. If for example she is seen on RTE programming or promotional material wearing the rings RTE is effectively paying for a third parties advertising.

    If she was moonlighting as a taxi driver for example, then rte would have no legitimate interest in that. This is different and obviously so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭Karppi


    RTE could decide not to renew Doireann's contract. Then we\d see just how good she is at getting sponsorship for other contracts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Maynis


    And if there was any reference to RTE, it would likely increase RTE's protection as a Public Service Broadcaster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    And you don't need to have a binding referenda/plebiscite, the Mayoral plebiscites are non-binding.

    the government could tomorrow set up an elected Mayor for every county town in Ireland if they so wished, without an referenda.

    they could take a plebiscite and everyone could vote no and still decide to have a directly elected mayor

    or everyone could vote yes and the government could decide not to have a directly elected Mayor.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Here is a good example of how a bill can be sent to check it constitutionality.

    AFAIK -

    1. Bill is proposed
    2. The government checks constitutionality with the AG (Their solicitor), he/she advise it is or isn't constitutional
    3. If constitutional the bill proceeds thought the house of the oireachtas, Seanad can make recommendations for changes, and then there is some thing that happens that if the Seanad doesn't take a vote it is deem voted on and it is passed to the president
    4. The president has 2 choices, to sign it into law or to send it on to the Supreme Court (He will consult with his Council Of State before doing this)
    5. The Supreme court makes a decision on its constitutionality, the agree the president signs off on the bill, otherwise it is sent back to the Oireachtas
    6. If sent back to the Oireachtas they decide to rewrite it to meet the constitutional needs or they call for a referendum to change the constitution.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Very good :) Here's mine:


    The Man With The Silver Spoon/The Man With The Golden Goose.

    For Dee Forbes Eyes Only.

    On His Employers Secret Payroll.

    Dr. No Transparency.

    Never Say Tribunal Again.

    The Declared Wage Is Not Enough (Give me more money, ideally under the table).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I see George Lee back on the TV, with COP23.

    I could be wrong and please correct me if I am: -

    I don't remember any of the Correspondents being part RTÉ election coverage. I might understand Paul Reynolds as he might be reporting on Crime.

    I don't ever remember George Lee doing an election day report, or Emma O'Kelly or Brian O'Donovan. Even the presenters of Nationwide who are attached to the Newsroom don't seem to be around for this one day event.

    I know that the local correspondents will work though out the day and funny I even think The Arts Correspondent did some coverage when she was working with them.

    It just seems strange that RTÉ News don't just designate people for these events.

    Also when was the last time you saw George Lee, for that matter where is Emma O'Kelly these days?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




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  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Although I think you and Hyperbollix have them all pretty much covered. I just couldn't help myself but to offer one:

    Goldenbye.

    Post edited by alzer100 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Reading about Mehole Martin taking a legal action against Google to disclose the identities of scammers who used his face in adverts shows how far Tubridy has fallen. Varadkar's face was used like this and so was that of Miriam O'Callaghan. Once "the most trusted man in Ireland" and now?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Casino Royalties

    Moonraker Moneyraking it in. <- that one is a bit of a stretch.

    No Time to Die No time to pay back the missing 150k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Never Say Renault Again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I know you’re just trying to be funny, but it should be noted that Tubridy’s face was used in these types of ads too.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc


    That would have been back when your pal was famous:

    • 09:39, 31 Mar 2022Updated11:41, 31 Mar 2022

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The scams move on, they always do. Two weeks ago, my mobile number was being spoofed to call people. This week, it’s not. It’s the way it works. Just pointing out the truth, not sure why that would be problematic to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,221 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Scammers use the faces of various celebrities to promote their scams in advertising. These ads (sometimes using Google's advertising services Adsense) are shown on various websites. Mehole Martin took an action against Google to find the identity of the scammers using his face in recent adverts.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    I hope he gets a few million damages, Google are taking the piss receiving money for these ads and then saying they are not responsible for them. They should have to verify every ad is legit they are making money from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,221 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,205 ✭✭✭Tow


    Tubbs is also used in these adverts and people have fallen for them.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Turbridy is no longer famous and even the scammers don't use his image these days even if they may have done in the past.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,221 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    People invested in stock based on tubs alleged insight?😂😂😂😂😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think Ryan Andrews' possible needs to keep schtum.

    There are 4 types of actors "Grifter", "Lucky", "Talented" and "Waiting staff/Unemployed", I will let you all decide where Fair City actors appear in this list.

    Ryan doesn't say how much he is paid, IMO the reporters should ask after all he is offering up this information, and if he doesn't want to divulge his wage then the article should state that.

    Ryan character in Fair City (for those of you that don't watch) is one of the main characters. This means he's earning between 80k and 105k a year for 30 weeks work. This is a very generous wage.

    The article says that he defends their wage by saying "it's not a level playing field for everyone at the station and what can seem like a high daily rate doesn't always amount to earning a fortune in the long run."

    He says his co-stars in the series "can make less than the minimum wage for their work" but that is is "over a season." and he goes on to say "Actors on Fair City don't work 52 weeks a year so it is different" ... Yes Ryan it is different because that the type of job acting is many of your co-stars are "jobbing" actors and for most people who work in minimum wage jobs they have to work 48 weeks across the "season", many even do over time to top up their earnings.

    "Some people only work 10 or 15 weeks. There can be a misconception" What misconception that for a 10 or 15 week run your not earning 40k a year, and you then get to work in another job during the other 42 weeks of the year.

    The article then says "Away from his role on Fair City Ryan also runs his own acting school and is gearing up to star in the panto at the Olympia Theatre."

    So Ryan as a Jobbing actor you get to

    1. Get a cushy number on a soap opera, with a 30 week run
    2. In your spare time run an acting school
    3. When you not in your "day job" you get paid to be in a Panto!

    Seems to me you can do very well out of fair city and really you should keep schtum.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Anne Doyle has been a recent target of these kinds of ads, even though she retired in 2011.

    I don't think the scammers put the kind of thought into the images they appropriate that you think they do. They're just looking for well known faces, and they switch between them.

    They used Tubridy's last year, got what they could out of it, he called it out on his show (and it was covered in subsequent print and online media), and they moved on to other targets. That his face isn't currently being used in online scam ads isn't as significant as you make out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    In breaking news:

    "Now it has emerged that Ryan will appear on Virgin Media TV later in the month.

    The 50-year-old will be appearing in an upcoming episode of Dave Fanning’s music show Fanning At Whelan’s which recently returned for a new season.

    While he won’t be talking about his upcoming career move, Ryan will reveal his six favourite songs and what they mean to him."


    I'm gonna bet one of those songs is "Money for Nothing".


    https://extra.ie/2023/12/11/entertainment/ryan-tubridy-return-irish-tv



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The broadcaster has not appeared on Irish screens since presenting his final ever Late Late Show back in May

    In all fairness, that isn't accurate. He had a brief stint on Oireachtas TV in July.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Dave Fanning will interview him, on Ryan career after he dies Dave has written his views : -

    "Ryan... ryan wasn't the type to get to grips with an interview like Gay Byrne, I mean you really cannot call him Gay Byrne, yeah he presented the late late show, but he let his career go, Gay Byrne was take for a ride by his accountant in the 80s, what did he do he asked for more money, Ryan asked for more money and never took a pay cut. He also wasn't all that good on the Radio, I mean he was no Gerry Ryan... I am not saying he couldn't have been Gerry Ryan but look at the listernship figure, fell over on 2FM, I think what Ryan will be known for is being really nervous when interviewing some stars, like I have interview stars for "The Movie Show" and for radio and I never let them get a word in, he seemed to let them bully him at times. I mean Ryan what can I say about Ryan, he wasn't Pat Kenny, I mean Pat Kenny could chew Ryan Turbriby up."


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