Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

But they're definitely not genocidal.

No sir, most definitely not.

This is just their ambassador to the UN calling for the death of Palestinian and Cultural ideals.

They are evil but Hamas are hardly Nazi Germany or the Empire of Japan per your post that seems to implicitly put out a call on a public forum for Israel "solve" the problems once and for all by inflicting end of WW2 levels of death and destruction.

The lives of everyone in Gaza are in the IDFs hands and always have been. Israel can kill almost everyone in Gaza if they want to and suffer no casualties from Hamas, no battle, just a slaughter.

If you are talking about threat to Israel from the wider Arab world where a lot of people hate them, or from likes of Russia, on former, even going as far as nuking Gaza won't help with this, as Israel is a small country that is outnumbered.

On latter, Netanyahu has said in past that Putin is a great friend, has used his image in Likud election materials! Israel has welcomed Russian Oligarchs and their large bags of money with open arms as they flee the Western sanctions, and refused to even sell Ukraine weapons to help defend itself afaik let alone donate them.

Odd behaviour if Israel thinks Russia is a threat to their survival. (edit: I realise that Israel do not wish to provoke Russia unnecessarily, they really don't need more enemies, but I think their actions go beyond that.)

Do you even know any Palestinians or Iranians? Talk about a sweeping statement. Complete ignorance.

I agree but doesn't that also mean that Israel isn't committing genocide in Gaza?

I can see how the claim can be made that they are ethnically cleansing the area but if the Palestinian Arabs in Israel and the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza are the same ethnic group then the accusation of genocide doesn't stack up. It doesn't however lessen the brutality of what's happening or the tragedy that is unfolding.

I was talking about his frequent attacks on business owners but it's way off topic so probably best to leave Micky D to frolic in the Park in the the warm cocoon of his own awesomeness.

How is killing some of an ethnic group but explicitly not killing another significant proportion of that group genocide?

I know you like to throw the term around because it's emotive and you are appalled by what Israel is doing in Gaza. I'm also appalled by what they are doing, I think most people are, but it's an inaccurate characterisation to call it genocide. Words matter and accuracy of language matters.

"In every actual genocide there will always be shameless deniers like you."

Crass Trumpian generalisations like that just makes you sound hysterical and childish.

So babies are the masterminds?

I agree. Better to put them down before they can walk.

Ireland to co-sponsor today's vote at the UN

THE SPECIFIC “INTENT” REQUIREMENT OF THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE: The definition of Genocide is made up of two elements, the physical element — the acts committed; and the mental element — the intent. Intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group, though this may constitute a crime against humanity as set out in the Rome Statute. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. Source

I can see the case for accusing Israel of crimes against humanity but not genocide. Again, that does not lessen the destruction or suffering but in my opinion the accusation of ethnic cleansing is more apt.

Israeli response has been a gross overreaction. The equivalent would be an armed militia group in Nicaragua launched a terrorist attack on American soil, killing 1000 US citizens and the US responding by carpet bombing Nicaragua for two months, destroying or damaging 60% of the residential buildings, killing 20,000 civilians, displacing much of the population etc (an insane over response in other words).

Yeah, for me, they are guilty of this also.

There were articles in the news this week of Israeli spreading suggestions of thinning the Gazan population to start gaining tentative congress support for such a tactic. Nethanyahu invoked the Biblical reference of Saul being instructed to strike down all Amalek and being reprimanded for not doing so, when he directed comments to the Israeli Army as they started their ground attack on Gaza. A Mayor in some region near Jerusalem reacted to pictures yesterday of tens of Palestinians in their underwear with their hands tied saying that they should be bulldozed in to the ground. Israeli soldiers are not just attacking Gaza to target Hamas, they are planting Israeli flags and putting up posters and banners saying Israeli businesses will be coming soon.