Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So babies are the masterminds?

I agree. Better to put them down before they can walk.

Ireland to co-sponsor today's vote at the UN

THE SPECIFIC “INTENT” REQUIREMENT OF THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE: The definition of Genocide is made up of two elements, the physical element — the acts committed; and the mental element — the intent. Intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group, though this may constitute a crime against humanity as set out in the Rome Statute. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. Source

I can see the case for accusing Israel of crimes against humanity but not genocide. Again, that does not lessen the destruction or suffering but in my opinion the accusation of ethnic cleansing is more apt.

Israeli response has been a gross overreaction. The equivalent would be an armed militia group in Nicaragua launched a terrorist attack on American soil, killing 1000 US citizens and the US responding by carpet bombing Nicaragua for two months, destroying or damaging 60% of the residential buildings, killing 20,000 civilians, displacing much of the population etc (an insane over response in other words).

Yeah, for me, they are guilty of this also.

There were articles in the news this week of Israeli spreading suggestions of thinning the Gazan population to start gaining tentative congress support for such a tactic. Nethanyahu invoked the Biblical reference of Saul being instructed to strike down all Amalek and being reprimanded for not doing so, when he directed comments to the Israeli Army as they started their ground attack on Gaza. A Mayor in some region near Jerusalem reacted to pictures yesterday of tens of Palestinians in their underwear with their hands tied saying that they should be bulldozed in to the ground. Israeli soldiers are not just attacking Gaza to target Hamas, they are planting Israeli flags and putting up posters and banners saying Israeli businesses will be coming soon.

Yes your attempt at deflection, by even mentioning the other occupations, does not disguise your efforts to have the last remaining doctors who stayed with their patients and reported at first hand the pain and suffering inflicted on them is a disgrace. But it didn't work. Poor effort.

I notice even Daily Mail readers are disgusted by the images of Palestinian men being stripped to their underwear by the IDF and are sceptical that any of them are Hamas members. A PR own goal by the regime.

They simply don't care at this stage.

Their antisemite/nazi spiel is running thin at this stage(their government). People are no longer afraid to ask proper questions.

Maybe I'm just getting old but I like to avoid hyperbole and assigning pejorative generalisations. I think inaccurate characterisation leads to inaccurate conversations. It reminds me of what Donald Trump does when he attacks the person rather than the point. I'm seeing a lot of that from Palestinian and Israeli sources and I'm seeing a lot of it here.

To criticise Hamas does not mean one supports Israel.

To criticise Israel does not mean one supports Hamas.

To question the accuracy or veracity of a source does not mean one is denying the event being discussed actually happened.

To question whether the actions of Israel in Gaza constitutes genocide does not mean one condones or agrees with the actions of Israel.

To question the word of a single Poster on social media does not mean that one doesn't believe anything posted on social media.

To question the word of a single doctor does not mean that one doesn't believe any doctor.

These are all basic logical assumptions that must be accepted by everyone in a discussion in order for that discussion to be anything more than a playground shouting match.

It seems to be the 'get out of jail' card for all Zionists now. If you're heavily criticising Israeli military action, it's proof that you are anti-Semitic and secretly love Hamas.

More on those stripped prisoners.

This discussion has descended to the level of a parody of a playground shouting match, hence I have reduced significantly my engagement with it. Logic and rational thought have been thrown out of the window, with the exception of a few like yourself.

I will leave you with a Shaw quotation:

"“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

New settlements approved on Wednesday on occupied territory.

Because the other professions were just a red herring used by you to disguise your attack on all doctors. It doesn't matter what other profession you mention from Norwegian fish-smokers to Latvian sheep herders. You deliberately attacked doctors and imo it was an underhand attack on the most important profession left in Gaza. The people who stood by their people and who reported on atrocities. A very poorly disguised attempt let it be said.

You can attack one doctor who is wrong on something, one baker, one builder etc etc but you attacked the entire profession.