Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

I'm not a personal fan of the man no, I believe most politicians are interested in keeping their jobs and telling people what they want to hear.

It doesn't particularly matter what he says about immigration, our legislation covers immigration policy. He didn't draft legislation himself yesterday.

You wouldn't need to change immigration laws to deal with any of that. What you are describing is more about people gaming the system to their own advantage than anything else - the complaint seems to be government agencies failing to properly implement existing laws around claiming welfare and benefits etc.

That's not legislation though is it. It's a tweet.

The law says who can and cannot live here.

When you say us are do you mean the original poster I replied to or are ye sharing an account?

Can't remember asking you but thanks for your non contribution to my question to another poster.

Also please don't call me mate again if you feel the need to reply.

Holly Cairns of the social democrats says that the Dáil debate on immigration is 'nonsense and unacceptable' and that 'There is no link between criminality and immigration'. Being concerned with mass uncontrolled immigration is unacceptable? We are constantly told that we live in a democratic society, so if Holly and the entire house of cheerleaders think it’s “nonsense”, then they should be able to argue their case very easily.

German federal crime data report for 2022 shows us:

• 47,923 Germans were victims of violent immigrants, up 18% from 2021, immigrants account for 13% of the overall population. In contrast, 12,061 foreign nationals were victims of a suspect with German citizenship (inc non-ethnic Germans)
• Germans are four times more likely to be attacked by an immigrant than vice versa.
• 258 Germans were victims of murder, attempted murder, or manslaughter committed by foreign nationals. 38 of these victims died, while the others survived. In contrast, 89 foreign nationals were victims of crimes that involved at least one German perpetrator, with five of them losing their lives.
• Foreign nationals from North African countries like Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia were the most willing to attack Germans when their asylum applications were rejected. While this group makes up only 0.8% of the population, they account for 8.5% of all asylum seekers suspected of committing a violent crime.
• Foreign nationals went from committing 35% of rapes to 42.44% between 2000 and 2020. Between 2009 and 2020 the number of rapes committed grew from 29.55% to 41.18%
• Since 2020, 302 gang rapes were recorded in Berlin alone, and more than half were committed by foreign nationals

Germany doesn't keep data on the racial or ethnic background of suspects anymore, so it is unclear how many of the German citizens arrested for crimes are ethnic Germans.

There is no link between criminality and immigration at all......

Heard Holly Cairns on Newstalk yesterday being interviewed by Ciaran Cuddihy, predictable interview.....Irish people immigrated everywhere....we rely on many immigrants for our workforce etc. Then both her and Cuddihy agreed we must get prepared for a large movement of people from south to north in the coming years due to climate change that will see far more arriving than whats currently arriving to Ireland, something Michael Martin has referenced also. Given that there are billions in Africa alone what exactly does she want us to do?, ramp up building so we'll have accommodation ready for all those arriving on our shores?

Holly Cairns became leader of a party when no body else wanted the job.

Her background is selling seeds and working for charities/NGOs.

She could have joined the cabbage heads like her mother, but chose to go with the social democrats.

She is an example of modern virtue signalling spoofing morons that years ago would be consigned to at most running student unions.

As someone said the sooner we have downturn the sooner all the chickens come home to roost and we start seeing a clearout.

And if newly unemployed Irish are screwed over so that Pavel, Georgi, Mohomed can keep all their welfare "entitlements", what happened recently will be childs play in comparison.

By then the quislings in the dail leading this will be out of here on the pigs back leeching money from some foreign organisation or other.

Watch our so called minister for justice will be off to some NGO gig, our taoiseach off to some UN gig (he probably got browny points for pi**ing off the Israelis), Pascal off to IMF, Gormless off to some NGO think tank, Mehole off to EU as commissioner.

A lot of the other ones will be retiring but a fair chunk of them are just gormless useful idiots who would swear black was white if they thought the MSM would laud them.

Why can't people see where this is going ?

What beggars belief is that you have so many so called educated young, and indeed no so young, people lauding this shyteology.

they must have skin in the game or they are complete idiots.

Just see what has happened around Europe to see where this is going.

This is a bit of an urban myth though. Vast majority of the non national population are working fulltime and paying taxes or are students.

The numbers of non nationals claiming benefits or social welfare are much, much smaller (apart from that situation with the Ukrainian refugees).

No it's factual. Even if you say 10% of the arrivals are going on welfare that's 10% of huge numbers.

Completey different scenario to Ms. Cairns whataboutery but I'm sure she knows that.

She's just hoping/presuming the general public are dumb enough to swallow her pony.

Care to backup that figure?. What kind of social welfare?, children allowance, pensions? This is back to the old argument that Irish people commit crime so why are we worried about bring more from outside. Irish people get social welfare so why not bring in more to claim it.

Which arrivals?

I would prefer to quote Mahatma Ghandi when he said "The measure of a society is how it treats its WEAKEST members".... The old, the young children with all sorts of illnesses, those with mental issues and anyone with any of those terrible diseases that can afflict any of us... All this cohort are affected by the wild west immigration system in effect at the moment overseen by incompetents... Health services stretched to the limit, public services stretched to the limit,overcrowded classrooms, billions of our taxes thrown into this hole enriching many instead of being used to improve the lot of the most vulnerable citizens in our society....public finances are finite and a day of reckoning will come, for some it'll be too late but for now the most vulnerable will pay the price for the manner in which this country is governed

You really do just throw out the standard replies don't you?

Do you have anything real to offer to this discussion?

Very very few are complaining about Ade the doctor from Nigeria working for CareDoc, Maria the nurse from Phillipines working in local nursing home, Raju the Indian lad working in Facebook, Krystof the local Polish plumber, Christiaan the South African accountant.

All of those legally entered the country as EU citizens or work visa holders.

They work, pay taxes and contribute to the country.

They didn't rock up looking for asylum or some new trendy term like international protection, claiming sob stories often "losing" their documentation, looking for and getting welfare straight off, free healthcare and free housing.

It really shows how sparse the argument is for these people being allowed in and allowed stay here, that they are always being lumped in with legitimate immigrants.

When they are viewed in isolation it is starkly shown they offer nothing, but social divisiness and cost to the taxpayers of this state, foreign and native.

Actually it is a gross insult to legitimate immigrants to the country that their achievements in gaining legal access to live here and their contributions to the country are so often lumped in with a group of feckless chancers.