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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Is there much evidence that refugees don't want to work? There undoubtedly would be lazy or feckless people among them who have no desire to work, but one wonders how representative this would be. For a very long time, refugees were literally banned by the State from working whilst in direct provision, and these laws were only changed recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I suppose this is just like everyday where you throw out random figures to suit your argument without actually providing any source for it and then ignore when someone asks you to back it up.

    Can you actually provide a source for this claim?

    It seems like you are here daily posting in bad faith and I have no idea why anyone would do that unless they are benefitting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What do you mean throwing out figures? There are currently 2.5m people in employment in Ireland meaning the other 2.5m are not in employment (either in receipt of state benefits or under 18s in education). I'm not so sure what would be so surprising if, say, 10% of non nationals are in receipt of social welfare....quite a few non nationals might have been living here for 10, 20, 30 years or even longer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    When we talk of asylum seekers/refugees getting social welfare most people would understand it to refer to dole/medical card/free transport not equating them to children in school or those who are retired.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Never mind those who aren't bothered working because they are getting free money, board and accommodation we have those who are unemployable. What chance do any of those lads arriving with no english and no formal education have of getting a job? Did any of the extended Puskas family work since arriving in Ireland or have they survived on social welfare and free housing? Same with the Palani family in Sligo found with 375000 under the bed, have social welfare looked for repayment there?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    People in the actual asylum system are only paid €39 a week i.e. five of them are getting less than what a single person on Jobseeker's allowance is receiving. Some of these arguments about what refugees are paid by the State are a bit curious - average weekly wage for a working person in Ireland in 2023 is €923.



  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭highpressisbest


    But if our asylum seekers from Algeria say had skills that were in demand, they would likely just go the work permit route and avoid the whole asylum seeking hassle. Obviously different for those who are coming from war torn countries. Again would be very interesting to see the statistics for employment rates for those who are given asylum or leave to remain. I would imagine it would be comparatively low for a myriad of reasons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You said there are 2.5 million in ireland out of 5 million not working and receiving social welfare.

    Just under 1.2 million of the country are under 18 and are not eligible for social welfare and just over 800,000 are over 65 and you would assume a vast majority are on pension payments after paying tax.

    That brings it down to just under 3.1 million and excluding carers or people on disability.

    So can you please provide your source that 2.5 million Irish people are in receipt of social welfare, or again is it just more blatant lies and misinformation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ehh do they pay for their accommodation, food, education, free dental and medical card treatment, transport to from appointments ?

    Once again you are cherry picking to suit your argument.

    You just chose the €39 a week pocket money, when you totally discount all the other very expensive ancillary costs of just having them in the state.

    Oh and not to mention the huge legal costs incurred in fighting deportation orders.

    FFS they cost way too much and offer fook all.

    Time to begone.


    The only ones benefiting are those involved in the asylum industry - accommodation providers, catering providers, lawyers, NGO employees.

    A few then are just ideologues usually with a hatred of their own and some sort of guilt complex.

    Years ago we were meant to feel guilty over original sin, now we are meant to feel guilty for the sins of long dead white people that are in no way related to us in this country.

    In fact they walked on the our Irish ancestors just as much as on people in some far flown part of the planet.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    All of society is important, and all those failings are the fault of government mismanagement, not immigration



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    What fooking use are most of them when they have shag all education, no skills, can't properly speak the language?

    We don't need labourers, the jobs market has moved on from that.

    And we have enough unskilled labour available (if we bothered sorting out our own ones unwilling to work) without bringing in people who will not integrate as shown throughout Europe and are just going to cause crime and social upheavel in years to come.

    You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl



    Of the 2,847,731 recipients of the main social welfare benefits, including free travel, 2,517,027 (88 per cent) are Irish nationals, 95,083 (3.3 per cent) are UK nationals, 25,164 (0.8 per cent) are nationals of the EU13, 144,115 (4 per cent) are from the EU15 to 28, and 66,342 (2.3 per cent) are non-EU nationals

    Source: Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection Annual Statistical Report, p.25 (2020)



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I feel bad for the poor guards who are going to have to police this mess in coming years. We can kiss Ireland being a safe country goodbye if we aren’t there already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    If you don't have sympathy for gardai now, don't bother with your faux future sympathy, they don't need it. Gardai police the country no matter what nationality is committing crime (fyi, they all do)



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,384 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    One of the reasons I am against the bogus AS is the cost on the taxpayer, and the impact on accomm prices.

    Here is a good example:


    "A Travelodge firm recorded a pre-tax profit of €8.65m from operating a Dublin hotel exclusively for International Protection (IP) applicants last year.

    Pumkinspice Ltd secured a contract in early 2022 from the State to house IP applicants at its newly-constructed, 393 room hotel on Townsend Street in Dublin 2.

    The directors state that "the hotel secured a State contract and traded exclusively under this contract in 2022".



    Revenues = €18.54m from the State contracts.

    Earnings Before Interest, Depreciation, Tax and Amortisation (EBITDA) = €12.15m for the year

    Net profits = 8.65m, nearly a 50% margin, or over €23,000 net profit per day


    A worker on a modest 40k faces a 48.5% marginal income tax rate, in order to pay for illegal immigrants to stay in a hotel that the same worker could not afford. What a country.

    The only winners are the owner of the hotel. They have no marketing costs, 100% occupancy, and the State hands them over 18m per year.

    The Civil Service are so bad at negotiating, the hotel still manages to make 50% net profits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl



    'Councils fund emergency accommodation in different long-term units provided by charities, such as hotel rooms and B&Bs.

    However, the biggest expense is the rental of private emergency housing for single people, which accounted for almost €52m spent by Dublin City Council last year, compared to €22m in 2021. DCC spent almost €22m on hotels and B&Bs it used for emergency accommodation in 2022'


    Imagine if government spent this money on permanent accommodation!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Or maybe even services, those with cancer, those disabled, can you imagine it? Focusing on our own instead of housing the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    And who owns the Tifco group pumkinspice Ltd, travelodge Ireland ? ... Why only our old friends Goldmann Sachs 💶💶💶💶💶 follow the money always, damn sure it's not going into the taxpayers pocket, and then there's tetrarch capital (citywest+) another shower making out like bandits, same chair on Tetrarch as Unicef Ireland who are running adds every other day lookin for donations 💶💶💶💶there's money in them thar refugees/ipa's the new clondike for the moneymen



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Obviously services should be world class in this country, there's plenty of money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Yep, they do and good on them.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to predict what parties they will all be voting for in years to come when they are at the blunt end of this farce.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Really? If be interested to hear what parties you think they will vote for?

    or even what is the favourite party for them right now



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,430 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well this guy obviously

    Don't you know they all long to become the Gestapo Siochana?

    See that cop in the background gazing adoringly at our future fuhrer



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    How can they be world class when our political elite want to house the world?

    They were total $hit before even deciding to house the world, so yeah that's not helping and it cannot be sorted while we take more and more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    More then enough to do everything.

    housing policy has strangled supply for years, services have been second class for years. Stop giving government a free ride and hold them responsible, and stop blaming immigrants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Wasn't talking about housing policy as you already know, whataboutry and deflection at its best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Ah so the couple of times you mentioned ' housing the world ' was nothing to do with housing policies......🤔🤔

    if housing policies were actually working, housing people, there wouldn't be any issues.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Ok, if you push that angle, how are we supposed to pay for several million free houses for economic migrants?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    First you will have to explain what you mean by 'economic migrant ' because the Oxford and Macmillan dictionaries define it as

     economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient.

    Pretty sure the government won't be giving houses away to everyone moving into the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    As mentioned above, Goldman Sachs are coining it at the moment, 'altruistically' helping to solve the whole worlds problems by flinging Irish taxpayers money at it

    It's obviously a pure coincidence that one FG TD, Jenifer Carroll-MacNeill's hubby is 'Hugo MacNeill OBE' ex director of their [Goldman Sachs] investment branch in Ireland and may or may not, have built up relationships in that organisation - so for the caring people that think they are defending the poor people of the world, just think a little bit deeper will you



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